My school is r3v

[rwh11385]

When did I exaggerate?

Plus, I've only ever argued that there is an exception.

They are not THAT rare of exceptions.

You are contesting the general belief about the success rate of non-college educated people.

[Turf1600]

How much more clear can I be that it was based off of my experience? Are you really going to argue with me about who I know, what they do, and whether or not they have a degree?

And if that is the only statement you have a problem with- I can live with that. We can agree to disagree and I can assume that I have been 99% correct.

[rwh11385]

How much more clear can I be that it was based off of my experience? Are you really going to argue with me about who I know, what they do, and whether or not they have a degree?

Your experience has a selection bias as well as sheer ignorance of all those people you don't recognize as failures or unsuccessful who should be included in your perception of a non-degreed person. Such a bias would make you have a rosy view of not getting a college degree and risking one's life on a poorly-based outlook. Exceptions occur but they are always that, exceptions. If they were more than a very rare outlier, they would be a trend. There is no rising trend of lucky GED's who break the rule, or the rule would not exist.

I know some friends who play college D1 basketball. I see a lot of successful NBA players. If I am like some people, I see that it is possible to have my friends go pro. Sure it is possible, but consider how many NCAA players don't get drafted... see in the analogy the the logic you lack? A slim few make it to the pros, but most don't.

The fact is that the mean income for someone who graduated HS or has a GED is $30,665 FOR THOSE EMPLOYED FULL TIME. Even this figure is GREATLY exaggerated by ignoring those who can only find part time work or are unemployed.

Your 'experience' may lead you to believe things other than the normal perception, but that is biased and incorrect. If you truly take into account the facts of the matter, you should agree with the reasoning of people like Charlie and myself, educated at fine Big Ten schools.

http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab7.htm

Education pays ...

Education pays in higher earnings and lower unemployment rates

http://www.bls.gov/cps/labor2005/chart2-3.pdf

[FredK]

screw it, just become Urban and Married, and you'll be well on the road to success!

[rwh11385]

psloan, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

jk

lol, pun

edit:

Everyone OG here knows I am Urban. Fred, same-sex unions are allowed in your state!

[FredK]

lol

[Turf1600]

Your experience has a selection bias as well as sheer ignorance of all those people you don't recognize as failures or unsuccessful who should be included in your perception of a non-degreed person. Such a bias would make you have a rosy view of not getting a college degree and risking one's life on a poorly-based outlook. Exceptions occur but they are always that, exceptions. If they were more than a very rare outlier, they would be a trend. There is no rising trend of lucky GED's who break the rule, or the rule would not exist.

I know some friends who play college D1 basketball. I see a lot of successful NBA players. If I am like some people, I see that it is possible to have my friends go pro. Sure it is possible, but consider how many NCAA players don't get drafted... see in the analogy the the logic you lack? A slim few make it to the pros, but most don't.

The fact is that the mean income for someone who graduated HS or has a GED is $30,665 FOR THOSE EMPLOYED FULL TIME. Even this figure is GREATLY exaggerated by ignoring those who can only find part time work or are unemployed.

Your 'experience' may lead you to believe things other than the normal perception, but that is biased and incorrect. If you truly take into account the facts of the matter, you should agree with the reasoning of people like Charlie and myself, educated at fine Big Ten schools.

http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab7.htm

Education pays ...

Education pays in higher earnings and lower unemployment rates

http://www.bls.gov/cps/labor2005/chart2-3.pdf

Once again - for people like lance who can't read -

I NEVER SAID THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WITHOUT DEGREES ARE SUCCESSFUL.

Maybe the caps will help it sink in.

I don't understand how this is happening - but I feel the need to explain myself again.

A degree is not REQUIRED to be successful. Anyone disagree? Let me know.

If not, gtfo

and I never disagreed with you. I'm only noting that it makes it easier - but it's certainly not required. Everyone seems to think that I'm saying degrees are a terrible idea - I'm just saying a lazy asshole with a degree is still a lazy asshole. A degree is not a shoe in.

How is it that you guys still fail to see what I'm saying?

A degree is not required to be successful. Work ethic and motivation are key. Does anyone disagree?

YES a degree makes it easier to get a good job - as well as it is required to even be considered for some jobs. You guys are acting like I'm an advocate for dropping out - I'm not. I'm working on my degree as we speak. This is not a black and white situation though. There are people with degrees who are utter failures - and people without even a diploma who are an incredible success. That was the only thing that I ever pointed out - yet you still continue to argue that everyone with a degree is going to be massively successful and all the rest will work with their hands their entire life and retire to medicare and medicaid. Holy fuck. It has been incredibly frustrating trying to reason with you guys.

[Turf1600]

you're arguing against things that I have never said or barely (if ever) implied

[whiltebeitel]

OMG sandy vaginas FTL!!!

Can you guys have makeup buttsecks already?

[Turf1600]

Guys - I've been making a tiny, insignificant point this entire time - but everyone is fighting me to the death. Maybe you're all just hard headed, idiots, gay or even all 3 - but holy shit. What I'm saying isn't that disagreeable. Also, as I've said countless times - I'm getting a degree! I wouldn't do it if I didn't think there was an advantage.

[Turf1600]

OMG sandy vaginas FTL!!!

Can you guys have makeup buttsecks already?

I'll leave that to lance and fred.

[FredK]

this thread is EPIC!

[Turf1600]

this thread is EPIC!

This thread is fucking retarded.

[Justin B]

This is pretty damn sad. Shut the fuck up already. Some people make more than others, and having a degree or going to college at all will increase your chances to make more but may not necessarily do so if you screw everything up or don't care especially.

Stats are stats, and opinions are opinions, as well as life experiences are life experiences.

Quit your bitching.

[Justin B]

This thread is fucking retarded.

AGREED.