obama the hypocrite

[Turf1600]

Maybe if you were one of the ones sold you would have a slightly different opinion about "all the hype".

Yeah - find me someone who was sold and let me know how they feel. It's a cause and effect situation. Their own people are just as much to blame is my point. Demand is pointless with no supply - and without supply the demand would have been filled by something else or our country would have failed miserably. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate of slavery. I just see both sides - and IMO it's over with. History is history. People need to get the fuck over it.

EDIT: Yes it was more than portugal - but them and spain were the most guilty.

On a side note, nothing is funnier than the children's crusades.

[Farbin Kaiber]

On a side note, nothing is funnier than the children's crusades.

Que?

[Turf1600]

Que?

I was thinking about ships transporting people and chuckled about the children's crusades.

Long story - a bunch of children were on a pilgrimage and were promised by sailors that they would be transported to their desired location (I think it was jerusalem?). Well, the sailors took them to north africa and sold them as slaves. Foolish children.

[Farbin Kaiber]

That's what a bunch of juvinile delinquents these days should get. Wandering the streets unsupervised. Talking to innocent sailors. Never heard the story though.

[hugh jass]

I was thinking about ships transporting people and chuckled about the children's crusades.

Long story - a bunch of children were on a pilgrimage and were promised by sailors that they would be transported to their desired location (I think it was jerusalem?). Well, the sailors took them to north africa and sold them as slaves. Foolish children.

yeah, sounds like a really funny story

[Turf1600]

yeah, sounds like a really funny story

Dude you're a wet blanket. This history is so long gone that how one interprets it is irrelevant. Do you want me to be sad about it? Should I "Do something" about it? Or do you want me to find the sailors cunning humorous? At least I know the fucking story - and if it makes you feel any better I learned a lesson. I won't ever be sold as a slave in north africa due to their plight. Now they weren't sold as child slaves in vein. You're going to have a long long life if you can't find humor in anything.

[delatlanta1281]

Here is the thing. Ice cube has used the both of these men's phrases and words in his lyrics. What Imus said was sexist, not racist. I have seen "Nappy headed hoes" of all races, so Obama is willing to fire someone over a sexist comment. That is a good thing. His preacher resigned as his advisor, he was not fired for his comments. That is a bad thing. if Clinton had a preacher who said anything even close to those remarks about black america, there would have been riots in the streets.
Obama's speech yesterday (or monday, I can't remember) was actually somewhat remarkable. He faulted not only whites, but blacks for the way things are in america. Not only did he talk about whites and affirmative action, but he also talked about the OJ case and how black america over reacted. he made good points not only about his upbringing as a mixed child, but also as a presidential candidate who is tired of the media and the pushback from both races. I found his speach rather good and somewhat compelling. That of course does not excuse the words of this preacher. But you know what? He has every right to say what he wants, and believe what he believes. I really don't think Obama subcribes to his views as a whole, and I think he genuinely cares for the nation as one people, not as different races living in one country.
That of course doesn't mean I would or wouldn't vote for him.

[hugh jass]

Dude you're a wet blanket. This history is so long gone that how one interprets it is irrelevant. Do you want me to be sad about it? Should I "Do something" about it? Or do you want me to find the sailors cunning humorous? At least I know the fucking story - and if it makes you feel any better I learned a lesson. I won't ever be sold as a slave in north africa due to their plight. Now they weren't sold as child slaves in vein. You're going to have a long long life if you can't find humor in anything.

You're amazing. I cannot believe that you think the issue of slavery is irrelevant to race relations today. Sorry if you think I'm a wet blanket because the shit you find funny is shit i find offensive.

[Turf1600]

You're amazing. I cannot believe that you think the issue of slavery is irrelevant to race relations today. Sorry if you think I'm a wet blanket because the shit you find funny is shit i find offensive.

Guess what chief? That past isn't going to change!!! You're shit out of luck! Have fun crying about a past life you were never even a part of.

[uofom3]

I'm going to go against blunt's post title and say that the hypocracy is the least of our concerns here - every politician is hypocritical and so is every man woman and child walking the streets at one point or another so that I can deal with.

My issues:

- He lied blatantly that he had no idea about what was happening in the church, and then 24 hours later he says he knew...

- In 2007, Obama made a reference to JWright about how if his campaign actually got a ways down the trail twoards the general election he would have to distance himself from Jwright... but why would you have to do that unless he was saying some things that wouldn't fly in the general election? Wouldn't that mean that you knew what he was saying?

- I don't really care about the whole racism against whites thing anyway in this situation. I'm a white guy, and I don't walk around and look at people as black, white, etc - it's people like his preacher that perpetuate hate in this country. Black people will say that I don't know what I'm talking about, but being that I'm apparently the oppressor maybe I would know if I was ACTUALLY do something wrong? I've never enslaved anyone, nor have I performed hate crimes, etc. I also don't encourage other people to "distrust" the black community. my point is that I believe most white americans feel that way - and people pandering to others based on injustices that happened 140 years ago are doing it for unjust reasons.

-His comments were clearly anti-american, anti-democratic (in the democracy sense), hyper-socialist, etc. These are they major problems that I have with the guy, and the thing that people really need to wonder about with Obama.

-Clearly Obama's wife listended on Sundays - she was telling a crowd somewhere that they shouldn't join the corporate machines of America - but rather they should go join the peace corps, become nurses, teachers, etc. This on the heels of finding out that Obama's pastor made his congregation swear to not pursue "middle-class-ness". Talk about jaded perception of reality.

Obama is now the candidate of race whether he wants to be or not. I kinda feel bad for the guy - he can't denounce the man who has ended his presidential hopes because he looses the black vote and is not down for the struggle. At the same time, he alienates a LOT of white voters because of the message that he sends with that, and his now re-visiting civil-rights era stuff that makes modern white people (who, by-and-large, had little or nothing to do with that) frustrated because in the minds of most white people we are beyond that (Deep south and Portland, OR excluded).

He associates himself with someone who is midly racist in his preachings, as well as spouts some pretty fanatical/unrealistic things about the government. First would couldn't use Obamas middle name, and now we shouldn't talk about the person who has guided his religious faith, baptized his children, and married him to his wife. What's next? These are all very real things that need to be looked at and taken into account when talking about the Presidential nominee.

If we want to get blatantly real about it, he has completely alienated white people in a major way. he has also disenfranchised a lot of black people who don't see themselves as being "Down for the struggle" so to speak. He has made this an issue of race - when previously he was the cadidate of unification. People have been asking questions for months about "where is his unification experience?". This most recent round of stuff is pretty hard evidence that he doesn't really have any.

I also believe this is just the beginning. More will come out shortly about how socialistic and generally biased this guy really is - should be a good show. It's a damn shame, though for the black community and the nation as a whole that this guy has to be the lunatic that he is; or that we're getting conclusive evidence that he is.

[Desaevious]

Que?

Children are believed to have the ability for the Mediterranean Sea to part because of their innocence. Some of them drown and die. The rest are sold into slavery.

and yes, its pretty damn funny.

[uofom3]

You're amazing. I cannot believe that you think the issue of slavery is irrelevant to race relations today. Sorry if you think I'm a wet blanket because the shit you find funny is shit i find offensive.

It should damn well be irrelevant.

I haven't enslaved anyone, nor has my parents, grandparents, great grand parents. I don't make racist remarks or behave in any such way. Neither does 99% of "white america".

I had as much control over being white as they did being black - people who still talk about slavery are perpetuating the divide between black and white. we have to acknowlege that happened, but we need to get beyond it.

If you want to say "Fuck whitey" or whatever, talk about the civil rights movement and the shit that happened in the 40's or 50's - not slavery.

[Turf1600]

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- I don't really care about the whole racism against whites thing anyway in this situation. I'm a white guy, and I don't walk around and look at people as black, white, etc - it's people like his preacher that perpetuate hate in this country. Black people will say that I don't know what I'm talking about, but being that I'm apparently the oppressor maybe I would know if I was ACTUALLY do something wrong? I've never enslaved anyone, nor have I performed hate crimes, etc. I also don't encourage other people to "distrust" the black community. my point is that I believe most white americans feel that way - and people pandering to others based on injustices that happened 140 years ago are doing it for unjust reasons.

Agreed. Well put.

[hugh jass]

Guess what chief? That past isn't going to change!!! You're shit out of luck! Have fun crying about a past life you were never even a part of.

Thanks, I will! Have fun living life with your head in the sand.

[hugh jass]

I don't know why the fuck I post in these threads. I tell myself not to and I still can't help it. Fucking internet.