27 years biatch

[rwh11385]

You clearly are addicted to rhetoric and arguing. Let's see you not do it for a f'n day.

I have acid reflux, I CAN eat whatever I want but if I DO I have to pay the price of heartburn. Based on your childish argument regarding wine I should ignore it and drink acidic juices & eat meals harmful to me.

My god you just may be the most inane smart person in the world.

Based on AA principle, you should never eat anything with an orange slice in it ever again OR YOU WILL DIE!

Not enjoy rhetoric? You're crazy.

[DCColegrove]

Based on AA principle, you should never eat anything with an orange slice in it ever again OR YOU WILL DIE!

Not enjoy rhetoric? You're crazy.

Um...

AA's pricipals come from...

Well...

The Bible.

[parkerbink]

HEY! Here's a book you can read! See, more people than just you can mention names of books!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Alcoholi.../dp/0688155871

I find it interesting you landed on an AA bashing book. No one referred to how they got sober.

The bottom line is some of us found life is better without mind altering substances, no one has made any mention that it is for anyone else nor did I see any post trying to recruit you nor anyone else.

Why are you so threatened by the idea that sobriety is a good thing and much more importantly why are you trying to get people that are happy sober to drink?

Based on AA principle, you should never eat anything with an orange slice in it ever again OR YOU WILL DIE!

Not enjoy rhetoric? You're crazy.

What do you know of AA principals? How many meetings have you been to? How much literature have you read? Site your references & show your research.

I submit you know little of what AA has done for those in need of their help and are just a scared little boy afraid that he may have a problem.

[trashcop 80s 80s]

This thread makes me want to drink.

[Miasma]

much more importantly why are you trying to get people that are happy sober to drink?

Serious.




Good job Steve.

[s0urce]

Elimination is the cop out for people who can't handle moderation.

I never gave up driving after I got a speeding ticket.

Good for you though for probably deciding on the personal best move for you.

HAHA

[rwh11385]

In the past 17 years and change I've seen doezens of people die reading books like that.

And how many people died while in AA? Or because of it?

Alcoholics Anonymous and other powerful recovery programs have defined an alcoholic as a person who can never again drink in moderation.

The same % of that small amount that recovered can be moderate or abstaining

2001-2002 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC). Based on a sample of 43,000 U.S. adults, the study found that more than one-third (35.9 percent) with alcohol dependence (alcoholism) that began more than one year ago were in full recovery a year later (according to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism).

The fully recovered individuals include roughly equal proportions of abstainers (18.2 percent) and low-risk drinkers (17.7 percent),

[assoutE12]

It's interesting that you went to Hazlden Blunt, I attended there also a few years back. I didn't buy into the whole 12 step program, mainly due to the God/higher power/I don't control my life aspect. I'm not saying it doesn't work, I just think its a bit of a cop out.
I'm sure I'd have a different opinion if I was an "addict" but I have no comprehension of that shit, I guess I'm just lucky that I can smoke pot and drink while still living a productive life.

Good job Steve.

[rwh11385]

What do you know of AA principals? How many meetings have you been to? How much literature have you read? Site your references & show your research.

weeeeeeeeeeee the internet & google!

http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/en_is_aa_for_you.cfm?PageID=71

Be honest! Doctors say that if you have a problem with alcohol and keep on drinking, it will get worse -- never better. Eventually, you will die, or end up in an institution for the rest of your life. The only hope is to stop drinking.

www.google.com for "AA don't drink or you will die"

yeah, it's that easy to find out what an organization's beliefs are.

[parkerbink]

So you admit, you knew nothing until I called you out & you googled it,

EXCEPT CONTEMPT PRIOR TO INVESTIGATION.

Neat trick, now do it for Parkinsons disease, why should people ignore it and avoid the solution?

[rwh11385]

I find it interesting you landed on an AA bashing book. No one referred to how they got sober.

The bottom line is some of us found life is better without mind altering substances, no one has made any mention that it is for anyone else nor did I see any post trying to recruit you nor anyone else.

Why are you so threatened by the idea that sobriety is a good thing and much more importantly why are you trying to get people that are happy sober to drink?

But everyone here (until assoute12) seems to believe it's ALL OR NOTHING! This is not just AA but the lack of a choice of moderation is elsewhere. The point of the book was not the particular organization only but it is the most notable. To have a program tear down someone and tell them they are incapable of self-control makes them believe it, and that's silly when trying to enable someone to be in control.

Maybe watch the South Park and see the intellect of Stan.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103677

The bottom line is you declared yourselves incapable of living and enjoying mind-altering substances responsibly, not that your life is better without them. And to express your doctrines in a public forum opens them to criticism.

You guys want to preach and pat the other on the pat for avoiding self-control by elimination, fine, but not everyone sees it that way. You're trying to tell everyone it's impossible to moderate drinking after being told they are alcoholics and they are victims of a disease... unless you are just saying you chose to not drink because you're scared of coming short on self-control.

I don't want you to drink necessarily but rather stop claiming it is impossible for you to have the willpower and there is no other possibility than the brainwashing that taught you abstaining - unless you alone thought it was best to pack it all up out of your fear of weakness then at least you were just trying to manage your risk not just being swallowed up in a silly cultish program.

[parkerbink]

But everyone here (until assoute12) seems to believe it's ALL OR NOTHING! This is not just AA but the lack of a choice of moderation is elsewhere. The focus of the book was not the particular organization but it is the most notable. To have a program tear down someone and tell them they are incapable of self-control makes them believe it, and that's silly when trying to enable someone to be in control.

Maybe watch the South Park and see the intellect of Stan.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103677

The bottom line is you declared yourselves incapable of living and enjoying mind-altering substances responsibly, not that your life is better without them. And to express your doctrines in a public forum opens them to criticism.

You guys want to preach and pat the other on the pat for avoiding self-control by elimination, fine, but not everyone sees it that way.

I don't want you to drink necessarily but rather stop claiming it is impossible for you to have the willpower and there is no other possibility than the brainwashing that taught you abstaining - unless you alone thought it was best to pack it all up out of your fear of weakness then at least you were just trying to manage your risk not just being swallowed up in a silly cultish program.

I said it had been 14 years since I had a drink. You said all of the rest of it. I did not say I had no choice.

I can take a drink right now if I want. I can buy a liquor store if I want. I CHOOSE not to.

My life is better without liquor. I am not telling anyone not to drink. I hope you have no issue, I think from seeing your posts over the years you may have a problem.

I know you like to stir the pot and I hope that gratifies you but at the end of the day only you can make decisions for your life.

[rwh11385]

I can take a drink right now if I want. I can buy a liquor store if I want. I CHOOSE not to.

That works and I can't object to that - and can respect that decision. I however don't like AA doctrine and people who buy into that shit.

[StereoInstaller1]

That works and I can't object to that - and can respect that decision. I however don't like AA doctrine and people who buy into that shit.

Wow...you have got to be the #1 biggest dumbass I have ever heard of.

So, take this seriously: Shut the fuck up. You have no clue what you are talking about.

AA has single-handedly saved more lives than any other option that has ever existed.

Got any evidence that AA doesn't work? I have tons that is does, as do many others just on this forum...not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people all around the world who can tell you firsthand that it is the best way back from the edge of the cliff that is serious addiction...something you know nothing about, kid.

But, no matter what kind of bullshit you spew here on R3V, AA will always be there to help you.

[s0urce]

AA is a stupid fucking cult for pussies that can't take responsibility for their own actions and have to blame it on a "higher power".