Bush Impeachment Hearing

[Pinepig]

I hate being lied to.

I REALLY hate being lied to continously.

"They won't be able to do the deployment. They won't have the equipment. They don't have the training and they won't be able to do the work... This vote will limit the options of the president and should stop this surge."
~ Rep. John Murtha, D-PA, February, 2006, commenting on his plans to derail the President's plan for a surge in US troops in Iraq.

"The enemy is emboldened by a surge of American troops..."
~ Sen. Carl Levin, D-MI, March 14, 2007.

"This war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything..."
~ Sen. Maj. Leader Harry Reid, D-NV, April, 19, 2007.

"The Speaker of the House believes that the surge is not working."
~ Speaker Of The House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, June 28, 2007.

"The facts are self-evident that the progress is not being made."
~ Speaker Of The House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, September 6, 2007.

"Well that would be a real great problem for us, no question about it."
~ House Majority Whip James Clyburn,D-SC, August 31, 2007, responding to a question about what a positive report about progress being made in Iraq would mean for the Democrats in Congress.

"Well, one thing we know is what we're doing now isn't working. You know, this is our worst year for Americans killed in Iraq. So the surge was an absolute failure,"
~ Ron Paul, November 7, 2007.

"We're not going to baby sit a civil war."
~ Barack Obama, January 2007 on the "Today" show.

"I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse."
~ Barack Obama, January 10, 2007, on MSNBC.

"I did not see anything in the speech or anything in the run- up to the speech that provides evidence that an additional 15,000 to 20,000 more U.S. troops is going to make a significant dent in the sectarian violence that's taking place there."
~ Barack Obama, January 10, 2007 on CNN.

"We can send 15,000 more troops; 20,000 more troops; 30,000 more troops. I don't know any expert on the region or any military officer that I've spoken to privately that believes that that is gonna make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground."
~ Barack Obama, January 14, 2007 on "Face The Nation".

"My assessment is that the surge has not worked and we will not see a different report eight weeks from now."
~ Barack Obama, July 18, 2007, on the Today show, anticipating Gen. Petraeus' report to Congress in September '07.

"Here's what we know. The surge has not worked."
~ Barack Obama, July 20, 2007 in New Hampshire:

"After putting an additional 30,000 troops in, far longer & more troops than the president had initially said, we have gone from a horrendous situation of violence in Iraq to the same intolerable levels of violence that we had back in June of 2006. So, essentially, after all this we're back where we were 15 months ago... So, I think it is fair to say that the president has simply tried to gain another six months to continue on the same course that he's been on for several years now. It is a course that will not succeed."
~ Barack Obama, September 13, 2007 at the Democratic Debate.

"...not only have we not seen improvements, but we're actually worsening, potentially, a situation there."
~ Barack Obama, November 11, 2007 on "Meet The Press".

"Tonight Pres. Bush said that the surge in Iraq is working, when we know that's just not true.
~ Barack Obama, January 29, 2008.



And finally....

"In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda — greatly weakening its effectiveness."
~ Barack Obama, July 14, 2008 in a NYTimes Op-Ed.

[Pinepig]

If some motherfucker thinks he's going to invade my city, he needs to bring some overwhelming force and some people to populate this joint when it's over.

Like most of the natives here, I have enough firepower to take a few invaders with me, and i won't stop fighting until I have no other options.

Get to it cheese dick.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1207296942202190.xml&coll=2

Hispanic gangs growing problem in Birmingham, Alabama

April 4, 2008
By TORAINE NORRIS
Hispanic gangs are becoming a growing problem in the Birmingham area, even as authorities continue to grapple with traditional street and neighborhood gangs, law enforcement officials said at a forum Thursday night.
Members of the FBI Gang Task Force, speaking at a Gang Awareness Forum at Norwood Clinic said at least four Hispanic gangs are operating in the Birmingham metro area, including in Hoover, Homewood, Pelham and Alabaster.
One gang has been identified as SUR 13, or South 13.
Many have formed as a means of protection against more established local gangs such as Bloods, police said.
"We have a growing number of Hispanic peoples and with that, we have a growing problem with their gangs being here," said Birmingham Gang Resistance Education and Training officer Victor Langford.
Hispanic gang graffiti was recently spotted on the stadium at Woodlawn High School, Langford said.
Police said local street and neighborhood gangs are beginning to recruit members as young as 8. FBI Gang Task Force members said they are monitoring elementary, middle and high schools for gang activity.
Birmingham GREAT officer Roderick Shelby said gangs are operating in schools, suburbs and rural areas. Shelby said the gangs are taking their names for the neighborhoods, streets and even recreation centers.
The gangs can have as few as two members, police said. All are involved in some type of criminal activity. Female gang members are some of the most notorious, police said.
Authorities said it is important to begin informing the community, especially parents, of gang activities and their strategies.
"It's great that the Birmingham Police Department is acknowledging the fact that we have a gang problem," said Meta Eatman, state probation and parole community resource officer. "In previous administrations, that was not the case."
Many youths are being attracted to the local gangs because of the need for family, she said. Authorities told parents to watch for signs of gang activity among their children, such as wearing mostly but red or blue T-shirts under their school uniforms.
Source: The Birmingham News

[deutschman]

I just love this kind of stuff - nothing better than watching politicians doing what they do best: wasting time and our tax dollars. These people are acting as if Bush is running for re-election and they are doing whatever they can to get him out. In just over 3 months' time, we will know for certain who the next leader of the United States will be. Bush's actual time remaining in power is just over 5 months - he is basically in 'farewell tour' mode at this point. Trying to oust him 1, 2 or 3 months early isn't going to amount to a hill of beans. This is nothing more than a bunch of DC windbags looking for some spotlight time and have a political ax to grind.

Jon

+1

if they really wanted to help they would have had to do this a while back. they just want to make them selves look good.

[Julien]

oh noes, wall streeeetsss drunkssssss.

I see it this way, there are two levels of pissed off republicans.

1. The fairly pissed republicans who fight till the end to protect BushCo/TheIraq/etc (uofm3/blunt fit here)

2. The ridiculously pissed off republicans who used to be pro bush. I've met a few of those and man are they livid.

I would too if I had mistakenly supported the worst administration in the history of this great country.

Most importantly I know this post won't convince anyone, open anyone's eyes, or change anyone's ideas, which is why I limit my posting on threads like this. Hopefully I won't have to sit through the same shit from the usual suspects.

-Pro Gun people: When is this uproar going to happen? I keep hearing this excuse that guns are necessary to protect yourself from the government, right? Well how much worse does it have to get? I mean, when was the last time a gun helped the American society as a whole? Honestly this pro gun bullshit is just a cover for cowardice.

No one will ever stand up against the US government. The streets are full of very well armed and trained police officers. Again, no one will ever stand up to the American government. Guns are useless.

On the subject of Obama, can you wait till he invades a small country, lies to the public and destroys the once strongest economy on the planet before you criticize him?

Julien

[deutschman]

I love all the libs that think this war is completely worthless. I'd love to see a tyrant invade the city they live in, slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent genocide-style and see if they would want someone, anyone, to come to their aid. I'm guessing yes?

did they ask us to help? no.
who appointed us big brother of the world?
it is not our right to decide to "help" people and invade their country. even if it is for good. that is a decision that needs to be made by the world at large. it has never been and is not our job to police the world, and we would be better off policing our selves first.
look at all the problems we have.
gangs
drugs
under education
a bad health care system
poverty
unemployment
a failing economy
and thats just naming a few. i think we should take care of our own problems before we go around pointing fingers at other people. where was bush for the american people during the hurricanes in New Orleans? helping the Iraqi's? i don't think so man.

[delfin]

did they ask us to help? no.
who appointed us big brother of the world?
it is not our right to decide to "help" people and invade their country. even if it is for good. that is a decision that needs to be made by the world at large. it has never been and is not our job to police the world, and we would be better off policing our selves first.
look at all the problems we have.
gangs
drugs
under education
a bad health care system
poverty
unemployment
a failing economy
and thats just naming a few. i think we should take care of our own problems before we go around pointing fingers at other people. where was bush for the american people during the hurricanes in New Orleans? helping the Iraqi's? i don't think so man.

Not the Federal Government's job to assist a State Government that refused to act on its own...

[atomic]

oh noes, wall streeeetsss drunkssssss.

I see it this way, there are two levels of pissed off republicans.

1. The fairly pissed republicans who fight till the end to protect BushCo/TheIraq/etc (uofm3/blunt fit here)

2. The ridiculously pissed off republicans who used to be pro bush. I've met a few of those and man are they livid.

I would too if I had mistakenly supported the worst administration in the history of this great country.

Most importantly I know this post won't convince anyone, open anyone's eyes, or change anyone's ideas, which is why I limit my posting on threads like this. Hopefully I won't have to sit through the same shit from the usual suspects.

-Pro Gun people: When is this uproar going to happen? I keep hearing this excuse that guns are necessary to protect yourself from the government, right? Well how much worse does it have to get? I mean, when was the last time a gun helped the American society as a whole? Honestly this pro gun bullshit is just a cover for cowardice.

No one will ever stand up against the US government. The streets are full of very well armed and trained police officers. Again, no one will ever stand up to the American government. Guns are useless.

On the subject of Obama, can you wait till he invades a small country, lies to the public and destroys the once strongest economy on the planet before you criticize him?

Julien

Where were said police officers 10 years ago when some crack head was trying to car jack me then? These officers were not riding shotgun with me, hence the reason to arm yourself in case such an event happens so you can protect your ass since criminals feed upon situations where they will not be challenged, so they can seek whatever they are criminally out for.

The rest of your post :weak: Go back to France if you do not like it here...

[Julien]

*sigh*

[blunttech]

did they ask us to help? no.
who appointed us big brother of the world?
it is not our right to decide to "help" people and invade their country. even if it is for good. that is a decision that needs to be made by the world at large. it has never been and is not our job to police the world, and we would be better off policing our selves first.
look at all the problems we have.
gangs
drugs
under education
a bad health care system
poverty
unemployment
a failing economy
and thats just naming a few. i think we should take care of our own problems before we go around pointing fingers at other people. where was bush for the american people during the hurricanes in New Orleans? helping the Iraqi's? i don't think so man.

hey doucheman, if you came home late at night and your female next door neighbor was getting raped in the ass by some thug would you just walk in the house and crawl in bed or would you help her because it was the right thing to do? you are totally clueless like many on this site

[deutschman]

help her but thats my neighbor and shes screaming for help.
iraq is just a loud couple on the other side of town having ruff but sex. would you stumble in thinking you were helping them or leave them be and let them do something wrong.
plus if you know anything about history you will know that america and a few other large european country's created the monster iraq was. same thing with afganistan. did you know that france sold iraq the equipment they needed to create bio weapons thinking they were going to use it to make animal feed? you should read germs by judith miller.
plus the only point i was trying make was that we need to fix our own shit before we fix other people shit. so here is a question for you my man.
your neighbor not cutting his lawn. his garbage is spilling over on the curb and you almost %100 he is abusing his wife and kids. at the same time you are way behind on your taxes and the irs is going to take your e30, your toilet is flooding the living room with shit, and you havent been making enough money to pay for all the dumn ass bull shit you have been pulling off over the last 8 years. are you going to help your self first and make sure you and your life don't go to hell? or are you going to call the cops on you neighbor and save his wife and kids from the abuse and the neighborhood from his mess while you slowly die and shrivel on the vine?

[deutschman]

again!
"you are totally clueless like many on this site"
what are you talking about?
i am justing trying to say we have our own big problems to deal with. and if you really cared about america like a real republican you would want to make our home a better place before you started trying to fix other peoples problems.

[rwh11385]

I live here because this is my country, and I know that eventually the liars and thugs that currently occupy the White House will disappear into the annals of history. You may enjoy the fucking you're taking, but I don't, and I'm going to use my freedom of speech to make it known.

If you don't like it, maybe YOU should GTFO.

I'm old enough to remember what life was like before BushCo came along and fucked everything up.

I want those days back.

like the times of stagflation? yeah... that was great.

when things are going awesome in the late 80s / 90s because of reaganomics, complain that the rich are getting richer because of their hard work but the poor are just getting a little less poor

when freedom to slack, be uneducated, and buy walmart goods hurts the economy and then terrorists attack and globalization increases demand and prices on goods and people get loans that shouldn't hurts it further, and then they are trying the best to make the most of it, complain it's not instantly better like some inexperienced big talker saying he can magically change everything.

[E30 Cabrio]

Funny. Clinton sleeps with an intern and lies about it and all the bible thumpin' hypocrite conservatives are ready to lynch him. This fucker lies about something that gets thousands of americans killed, but it's OK.......

It's funny how some people push the constitution, and anti government etc, yet when 911 happened you were able to give up every right you had......

Lets get one thing strait. This administration ALLOWED thousands of civilians going to work to be killed. Not a single REAL thing was done about that. This administration has killed thousands of young americans fighting for a lie. This administration has ruined the economy. Period, end of discussion

Let's inject some Facts into this discussion.

Clinton was Impeached because he lied under oath in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit, in which he was the defendant. He lied to avoid taking responsibilities for his actions. Some leader, eh?

Subsequently, he lied about his testimony in the Jones case to a Grand Jury, again under oath.

For this, he was Impeached, Disbarred, held in Contempt of Court, and paid Jones nearly 1 Million dollars to drop her lawsuit. Not exactly the actions of an innocent man to pay a plaintiff to drop litigation.

Clinton lied repeatedly, under oath and shook his finger in our faces too boot.

And it wasn't about a BJ as so many people ignorantly parrot.

Show me the articles of Impeachment and tell me, which one of them says he should be Impeached for getting a BJ?

Please post it, I'm dying to see it.

Meanwhile, Al Qaeda was plotting to kill thousands of us while Clinton was either getting BJ's from a fat intern, or trying to lie his way out of it, and blame a "vast, right-wing conspiracy"

What an asshole. How could anyone defend this arrogant, self-serving prick?

Clinton put his own selfish needs above all, including the security and the well-being of this country, our country.

As for the war in Iraq, Congress voted overwhelmingly to remove Saddam Hussein for a variety of reasons, mostly for flaunting UN sanctions for about 13 years.

The Dems in Congress were quick to take credit for the early successes in Iraq, yet now, you would think that they opposed it from the beginning.

The Dems also said we lost the Iraq war. They were against The Surge, which has been a huge success. Now, once again, they are trying to take credit for it. So predictable.

The world is a much better place without Hussien, and without the hundred thousand or so Al-Qaeda members killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Your claim that this administration has killed thousands of Americans and ruined the economy is the epitome of ignorance.

Using your standards, every President has killed Americans by going to war, and where was your outrage when Clinton lobbed Billions of dollars worth of missiles indiscriminately into Iraq on the eve of Impeachment to distract Americans from his wrongdoings?

How many people died for Clinton trying to distract away from his irresponsible, selfish actions?

And Bush allowed thousands of Americans going to work to be killed?

How so? Show me one piece of evidence, just one that would have given specific information that would have allowed us to prevent 9-11 from happening. Just one that gives a time, a date, a place, anything that would have given us the means to prevent 9-11 from occuring.

You won't, because you can't.

Meanwhile, after the FLight 800 tragedy, the Clinton administration put together a committee to prevent airline terrorism.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/25/twa.clinton/index.html

Al Gore led the committee, which made several proposals for the airline industry to tighten their security. Problem was, it would cost the airlines a lot of money. Within months, the airlines gave over $600,000 in contributions to the DNC for the 1996 campaign, and mysteriously, those security proposals were suddenly scrapped.

None of these safety measures were ever implemented after the airlines bought off the commissions recommendations:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24623

And just how did Bush ruin the economy? He inherited a recession and brought the nation off the brink of a depression after 9-11

His tax cuts and rebates, which the Dems wailed and cried about, led to the Unemployment rate dropping from about 6.4% to 4.5%, and the GDP growing for 5 straight years.

Even now, which high gas prices, which have more to do with an increase in demand by countries like China and India, the economy is still expanding, unemployment is still at a rate below the average for the last 4 decades.

Despite the fact that the GDP has not contracted at all in 5 years, idiots like you are running around claiming we're in a recession.

You don't even know what a recession is, do you?

I'll give you a hint. 18% interest rates, near-double digit unemployment and 6 consecutive months of GDP contraction, none of which have nearly happened but did under Jimmy Carter.

Meanwhile, the Dems fight any type of Nuclear energy development, any domestic oil drilling, yet who gets the blame for high gas prices?

Bush does. Because people like you are too stupid to understand things like supply and demand, and how we can become energy independent if the Dems allowed us to do so by tapping the billions of barrels under our own feet as well as building nuclear plants.

Instead, they would rather all that money goes to Middle Eastern interests, many of which seek our demise. I would rather all that money stays in our country, which would create an economic boom and prosperity, but the Dems don't see it that way.

No, they would rather tax "the rich" which is basically anyone who makes over 50K per year and redistribute the money.

And what rights have we lost? Name one.

Meanwhile, the Dems have tried to deprive millions of Americans from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, and have curtailed many of our other rights. Can't smoke in public. Can't use certain language or you'll be charged with a "Hate crime" have proposed lowering the speed limit to 55 MPH, they want to reinstate the "fairness doctrine" to silence/neutralize opposing viewpoints, etc...

Instead of copying and pasting talking points from whatever dumb ass left-wingnut web sites you visit, why don't you start thinking for yourself and actually using facts to argue your case instead of parroting baseless, biased talking points?

It would be to your benefit so you wouldn't look so ignorant.

Or, you can remain intellectually lazy.

Your choice.

[Ryan Stewart]

*sigh*

Move to the most prosperous, legal nation in the world that has never supported a cruel dictator by skirting the laws of the UN to line the pockets of the son of the SecGeneral and get cheap oil at the cost of thousands of innocent lives or suppress a local immigrant people through racism despite them being naturalized or locally born.

Shit, I guess that excludes France.

[Pinepig]

Let's inject some Facts into this discussion.

How dare you bring facts into a discussion about hope( the dems can pull it off ) and change ( for a new pres that's going to happen in a few months anyway).