Bush Impeachment Hearing

[E30 Cabrio]

I'm not even going to play to all the other idiots in this thread, but this is particularly stupid. You obviously have no idea how business works do you?

$1 mil to drop a lawsuit that could have easily taken months and months of incredibly high paid lawyers was most likely cheaper than fighting it.

For an incredibly simplistic analogy, just like when I was a claim rep, I paid fraudulent claims all the time because it was cheaper.

What's cheaper cheif? Paying some worthless scum of society $5k to take a hike or pay $40k fighting it?

I guess lying under oath in a court of law is part of taking the easy way out as well?
Or paying nearly 1 million dollars to a plantiff in a lawsuit that was dropped is also the sign of an innocent man?

If you believe Clinton didn't sexually harass Jones, then you live in a make-believe world.

Why didn't he just pay her to go away right off the bat?

Worthless scum? Is that how you see women who have been sexually harassed by their employers? As worthless scum?

Would you feel the same if it were your mother, sister, daughter?

It's obvious Clinton was guilty, otherwise he wouldn't have lied, he wouldn't have sent the IRS after Jones, he wouldn't have had his minions smear her in the media, and he wouldn't have paid her a lot of money to go away.

If there was nothing to it, then he would have done none of those things.

"There is no truth to these allegations, and the courts will determine this to be true"

No, instead he lied under oath to avoid the truth from becoming known, he had his henchmen smear her in the media, sent the IRS after her, and ultimately, paid her off to drop her lawsuit.

Either Clinton is a liar, or the dozen or so women, mostly former Clinton campaign workers are liars.

We already know Clinton is a self-admitted liar, so who is the "worthless scum" in the equation?

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[uofom3]

I guess lying under oath in a court of law is part of taking the easy way out as well?
Or paying nearly 1 million dollars to a plantiff in a lawsuit that was dropped is also the sign of an innocent man?

If you believe Clinton didn't sexually harass Jones, then you live in a make-believe world.

Why didn't he just pay her to go away right off the bat?

Worthless scum? Is that how you see women who have been sexually harassed by their employers? As worthless scum?

Would you feel the same if it were your mother, sister, daughter?

It's obvious Clinton was guilty, otherwise he wouldn't have lied, he wouldn't have sent the IRS after Jones, he wouldn't have had his minions smear her in the media, and he wouldn't have paid her a lot of money to go away.

If there was nothing to it, then he would have done none of those things.

"There is no truth to these allegations, and the courts will determine this to be true"

No, instead he lied under oath to avoid the truth from becoming known, he had his henchmen smear her in the media, sent the IRS after her, and ultimately, paid her off to drop her lawsuit.

Either Clinton is a liar, or the dozen or so women, mostly former Clinton campaign workers are liars.

We already know Clinton is a self-admitted liar, so who is the "worthless scum" in the equation?

Though I don't disagree with this in any way... It's beyond a mute point at this point in the game.

Plus, he did pretty well economically (not all his fault though). BUT, people may think that just because we had a surplus of the budget at the end of the deal doesn't mean that the economy was great. In fact, sometimes the economy does better with a small deficit.

Regardless... Clinton had his positives, but his cock got in the way.

[Lair]

The macro environment is to blame, not Bush... which you could understand if you were educated. But you fit in with the crowd in AL...

Bush's lack of oversight is to blame as much as any other factor - including Gramm's bank deregulation bill that Newt's Republican Congress passed in 1999.


I've been a part of this economy for 33 years. I've worked, earned wages, and consumed goods each of those years. I got my first full-time job during the summer when I was 15. I think I understand how the economy works. ;)

Wrong. I would say he'd move up to Top 15 overall in a decade or so. But I think the WSJ might have been talking to educated people more than those whose understanding of the world is limited to carpetbaggerreport.com

The WSJ is now owned by Rupert Murdoch (AKA FOX NEWS, AKA Bush's public relations firm).

Of course they're going to paint a rosy picture. The truth is far from the WSJ's vision, though.

After seeing what the republican spin machine has done to one of the most popular (and successful) presidents in history, you can bet your ass that I'll do everything in my power to ensure that history's vision of Dubya remains unBushed.

[Lair]

Though I don't disagree with this in any way... It's beyond a mute point at this point in the game.

Plus, he did pretty well economically (not all his fault though). BUT, people may think that just because we had a surplus of the budget at the end of the deal doesn't mean that the economy was great. In fact, sometimes the economy does better with a small deficit.

Regardless... Clinton had his positives, but his cock got in the way.

It always was a moot point. I don't give two shits about Clinton's personal life - including any sexual escapades he may or may not have had with various ugly whores.

I hate that he lied about it, but it's not like he was lying about weapons of mass destruction and imminent threats.

At the end of the day, the only people who give a shit about Clinton's lies are the ones with a political agenda or a dearth of blowjob-wielding fat chicks.

[rwh11385]

Bush's lack of oversight is to blame as much as any other factor - including Gramm's bank deregulation bill that Newt's Republican Congress passed in 1999.


I've been a part of this economy for 33 years. I've worked, earned wages, and consumed goods each of those years. I got my first full-time job during the summer when I was 15. I think I understand how the economy works. ;)

The WSJ is now owned by Rupert Murdoch (AKA FOX NEWS, AKA Bush's public relations firm).

Of course they're going to paint a rosy picture. The truth is far from the WSJ's vision, though.

After seeing what the republican spin machine has done to one of the most popular (and successful) presidents in history, you can bet your ass that I'll do everything in my power to ensure that history's vision of Dubya remains unBushed.

Yes... because Bush should be blamed for Chinese economic growth out of global trade we don't control all of and a more capitalist approach which is a good thing...

Uh huh. I believe you know as much about economics as the people buying cars at the places that say "No Credit? No Problem."

This was in 2005, and you ridiculing a source while posting links to thecarpetbaggerrport is ironic and laughable.

If Bush was the worst president, then why was he re-elected? Is there a loud, uneducated minority shouting their unhappiness and wrongfully blaming the president for the situation around them? Was Kanye right? Are liberals mad that no matter how loud they complain it won't trick anyone who knows better? If we get to the point that clueless people rely on sources as reliable as Loose Change or An Inconvient Truth, then we will really be in trouble - but at least so far not everyone is as gullible as the average liberal on this forum.

I am thankful not everyone who votes is as much of a dumbass as you, and feel that the educated part of the nation that actually matters will continue to have the power to elect McCain over the lazy people who are bringing down the nation and like Obama's empty promise to make their lives better.

[Lair]

Just can't make it work without a few personal attacks, can you?

I can see why you're such a diehard republican. The party MO fits you perfectly.

The links I posted reference actual news articles - instead of a WSJ opinion piece. Did i mention that the WSJ is owned by Fox News' parent corporation?

Bush shouldn't be blamed for Chinese growth, but he can damn sure be blamed for not doing ANYTHING about it.

Who the fuck is Kanye West? Is he one of those rightwing blowhard radio/TV hosts that spoonfeed opinions to the mindless Neocons that STILL think Dubya is a good president?

Dubya won the '04 election becuase the Democrats ran a living corpse against him. he STILL had to resort to douchebaggery to win it. He won the '00 election after losing the popular vote to Al Gore because his brother was the governor of Florida.

I don't care who you vote for. If you want to vote for a crusty, angry old white guy who can't seem to remember what his platform is, then knock yourself out.

BTW, you keep throwing around "education" like you've obtained a doctorate. Have you? Are you an economist?

[Ryan Stewart]

Bush will go down in history as the worst president this country has ever produced - maybe the worst one the PLANET has produced.

Haha, not even close. Shit, the DNC JUST started talking to Carter again.

[rwh11385]

I can see why you're such a diehard republican. The party MO fits you perfectly.

Bush shouldn't be blamed for Chinese growth, but he can damn sure be blamed for not doing ANYTHING about it.

Who the fuck is Kanye West? Is he one of those rightwing blowhard radio/TV hosts that spoonfeed opinions to the mindless Neocons that STILL think Dubya is a good president?

BTW, you keep throwing around "education" like you've obtained a doctorate. Have you? Are you an economist?

I'm not diehard republican, people on this site pinned me for liberal sometimes on a few issues even - but i like people who appreciate being educated. Clearly you are not one of these people.

What would Bush do about the Chinese? Cut off trade with them?? Yeah, that would not be possible and hurt our soybean farmers.

Kanye West is a rapper who is just as stupid as you to say Bush hates black people because Katrina hit New Orleans and the lazy Americans spoiled on welfare didn't leave when they were told to.

I have a certificate in Honors Economics and wrote a thesis. It doesn't take much to be more educated than you after questioning what econ has to do with the things you mentioned...

Only someone with a mental defect would support punishing hard work and rewarding laziness like the democratic party.

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Just can't make it work without a few personal attacks, can you?

I can see why you're such a diehard republican. The party MO fits you perfectly.

The links I posted reference actual news articles - instead of a WSJ opinion piece. Did i mention that the WSJ is owned by Fox News' parent corporation?

Bush shouldn't be blamed for Chinese growth, but he can damn sure be blamed for not doing ANYTHING about it.

Who the fuck is Kanye West? Is he one of those rightwing blowhard radio/TV hosts that spoonfeed opinions to the mindless Neocons that STILL think Dubya is a good president?

Dubya won the '04 election becuase the Democrats ran a living corpse against him. he STILL had to resort to douchebaggery to win it. He won the '00 election after losing the popular vote to Al Gore because his brother was the governor of Florida.

I don't care who you vote for. If you want to vote for a crusty, angry old white guy who can't seem to remember what his platform is, then knock yourself out.

BTW, you keep throwing around "education" like you've obtained a doctorate. Have you? Are you an economist?

Yeah and about 8 out of 10 of those links are dead pages too...

So invalid links = EPIC FAILURE (just like the liberal party)


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[DarkWing6]

What does an econ course have to do with this shit?

Anyone that was unaware that you are an Obama supporter is now informed. I think the two of you skipped the same class.


Also, did you really ask what taking an economics class has to do with a discussion about the economy? An economics class will allow you to understand and write, in your own words, what is going on in our economy right now. You would stop simply reading what the media feeds you and taking it for what you can understand in the headlines.

Heeter, Ted, etc have all covered everything I would say better than I could say it, so I wont repeat it for you. Either way, you wont take anything any of us say and actually think about it becasue you are too busy trying to be right instead of understanding what is going on.

A wise person once told me to look for ideas better than my own.

None of us are asking you to take what we say for face value. We are all asking you to think about what you are saying and think about what we are saying. Quit trying to be right. I know I like it when I am, but I perfer to be corrected and be right then have people think I am right when I am actually wrong.

[FlyingPrick]

It always was a moot point. I don't give two shits about Clinton's personal life - including any sexual escapades he may or may not have had with various ugly whores.

I hate that he lied about it, but it's not like he was lying about weapons of mass destruction and imminent threats.

At the end of the day, the only people who give a shit about Clinton's lies are the ones with a political agenda or a dearth of blowjob-wielding fat chicks.

i believe the Iraq decision was based on the intel available at the time, which indicated that Iraq did indeed have WMD's. So far, there is no evidence of such. But don't tell you you've never made a bad decision based on information you believed to be true at the time. Bush gets the blame for the intelligence clusterfuck. btw did you ever see those pictures of the Mig's Saddam buried out in the desert? You could hide anything out there.

[Lair]

Also, did you really ask what taking an economics class has to do with a discussion about the economy?

I didn't ask that at all. I asked what effect an econ course has on the economy.

[Lair]

i believe the Iraq decision was based on the intel available at the time, which indicated that Iraq did indeed have WMD's.

And I believe you're wrong.

[Lair]

Yeah and about 8 out of 10 of those links are dead pages too...

So invalid links = EPIC FAILURE (just like the liberal party)


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Not quite 8 out of 10, but there are plenty of reputable sources that document McCain's growing instances of flip floppery.

Let me know which ones you have a problem with, and I'll hook you up.