Bush Impeachment Hearing

[Lair]

So you allow the tax payers of America to give you food stamps and welfare checks?


Now I totally understand why you preach the way you do!

Small business. I'm in autoglass, and I pay people to make money for me.

Nice try, though.

[Lair]

Reagan didn't need to BE an economist to listen to the right ones and do the country right.

But Obama NEEDS to BE an economist to listen to the right ones and do the country right?

[rwh11385]

Not really. I make money the old-fashioned way - off the backs of the uneducated/desperate youth of America.

You run a Payday Loan Center?

[nando]

No question about it - Carter was an ineffective leader. I'm not defending his legacy at all, but he won't begin to compare to Dubya after the damage is totted up.

what damage can you atribute to bush that wouldn't have happened anyway? you can't blame oil prices (thank congress, china, india etc.), the housing crash (idiot americans buying more than they can afford), people buying cheap junk from china, or any of the stuff you're saying is all his fault. Hell, even iraq to some extent congress whole heartedly supported it - I do think it was stupid to go there in the first place, but 9/11 would have happened regardless. It's too bad we ruined the good will and support we gained internationally directly after 9/11 by going to iraq, but it is hardly the biggest blunder ever.

[rwh11385]

But Obama NEEDS to BE an economist to listen to the right ones and do the country right?

The American people need to know enough about economics to not be caught up in the bullshit the media is spewing out blaming Bush for global or other macro economic issues.

DSP blamed the administration for "ruining the economy" and therefore supports Obama "for a change" when it's not the policies that need to change but more time must be given to the right steps for the right results, and the public needs to be better educated to work hard, not buy more than they can pay for, etc. The more people who add value in society, the better off the nation will be vs. the other countries in the world.

The welfare nation of walmart shoppers using food stamps believing the government should take care of them are doing themselves no good and hurting the others who taxes help them.

[nando]

But Obama NEEDS to BE an economist to listen to the right ones and do the country right?

no, but he doesn't even understand the basics. Like when he champions "free" healtcare. did you know canadians pay a healthcare premium like we do? the only difference is it goes to the government where it can be wasted and plundered by tax-and-spend politicians. And they have less choices and very few specialists. Elective surgery means waiting in a line - but if you get a hangnail you can get it fixed for "free". :roll:

see if "free" healthcare works any better than social security. If it's not a seperate trust fund run by a 3rd party, they may as well simply raise taxes 10% and call it a day.

[Lair]

what damage can you atribute to bush that wouldn't have happened anyway? you can't blame oil prices (thank congress, china, india etc.), the housing crash (idiot americans buying more than they can afford), people buying cheap junk from china, or any of the stuff you're saying is all his fault. Hell, even iraq to some extent congress whole heartedly supported it - I do think it was stupid to go there in the first place, but 9/11 would have happened regardless. It's too bad we ruined the good will and support we gained internationally directly after 9/11 by going to iraq, but it is hardly the biggest blunder ever.

Congress supported the Iraq invasion because they bought the same BushCo lies everyone else did. In the patriotic fervor following 9/11, everybody was looking for a target, and Bush gave them one - the WRONG one.

The war is also a huge contributor to our economic problems.

As far as Iraq not being the biggest blunder ever - I'll have to disagree.

[Lair]

no, but he doesn't even understand the basics. Like when he champions "free" healtcare. did you know canadians pay a healthcare premium like we do? the only difference is it goes to the government where it can be wasted and plundered by tax-and-spend politicians. And they have less choices and very few specialists. Elective surgery means waiting in a line - but if you get a hangnail you can get it fixed for "free". :roll:

see if "free" healthcare works any better than social security. If it's not a seperate trust fund run by a 3rd party, they may as well simply raise taxes 10% and call it a day.

We're already subsidizing healthcare for brokeass mofos. You can rest assured that the cost of indigent patient care is passed on to the masses via high healthcare costs and insurance rates.

[Lair]

The American people need to know enough about economics to not be caught up in the bullshit the media is spewing out blaming Bush for global or other macro economic issues.

DSP blamed the administration for "ruining the economy" and therefore supports Obama "for a change" when it's not the policies that need to change but more time must be given to the right steps for the right results, and the public needs to be better educated to work hard, not buy more than they can pay for, etc. The more people who add value in society, the better off the nation will be vs. the other countries in the world.

The welfare nation of walmart shoppers using food stamps believing the government should take care of them are doing themselves no good and hurting the others who taxes help them.

So the Obama's economic experience = Reagan's economic experience didn't rate a direct answer?

[rwh11385]

*shrug*

The Iraq war's costs represented 1 percent of GDP in the peak year of the war.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ihrXXebCc-1ukON23aArsxLrveNwD9256EK80

And it is creating jobs from soldiers to systems integrators / engineers. A lot more people will be able to afford college than before, if they survive.

The problem wasn't solved in the past, and it's better still IMO to have acted than continue the risk of uncertainty and potential of WMDs to be there. And look, N. Korea is playing ball now more than it was.

[rwh11385]

So the Obama's economic experience = Reagan's economic experience didn't rate a direct answer?

Obama thinks he has the idea for CHANGE and HOPES it is right, but he's selling what the people want, not what someone who is intelligent tells him what is needed.

[gwb72tii]

As far as Iraq not being the biggest blunder ever - I'll have to disagree.

I have a better one (worse one) for you. letting american citizens rot in Iran for over a year. this was an act of war perpetrated by Iran against us, and carter jerked off for a year while doing nothing. this was after helping depose the shah and giving rise to the mullahs, which is on his head also and is a big fucking reason the middle east is the way it is today.

[nando]

So the Obama's economic experience = Reagan's economic experience didn't rate a direct answer?

reagan knew enough to hire people who knew more than him to handle the economy. so did president clinton.

[rwh11385]

We're already subsidizing healthcare for brokeass mofos. You can rest assured that the cost of indigent patient care is passed on to the masses via high healthcare costs and insurance rates.

Yes, so why is giving everyone free care going to make it better except to remove incentive to get a highly skilled job and a salary/benefits package?

[z31maniac]

I guess lying under oath in a court of law is part of taking the easy way out as well?
Or paying nearly 1 million dollars to a plantiff in a lawsuit that was dropped is also the sign of an innocent man?

If you believe Clinton didn't sexually harass Jones, then you live in a make-believe world.

Why didn't he just pay her to go away right off the bat?

Worthless scum? Is that how you see women who have been sexually harassed by their employers? As worthless scum?

Would you feel the same if it were your mother, sister, daughter?

It's obvious Clinton was guilty, otherwise he wouldn't have lied, he wouldn't have sent the IRS after Jones, he wouldn't have had his minions smear her in the media, and he wouldn't have paid her a lot of money to go away.

If there was nothing to it, then he would have done none of those things.

"There is no truth to these allegations, and the courts will determine this to be true"

No, instead he lied under oath to avoid the truth from becoming known, he had his henchmen smear her in the media, sent the IRS after her, and ultimately, paid her off to drop her lawsuit.

Either Clinton is a liar, or the dozen or so women, mostly former Clinton campaign workers are liars.

We already know Clinton is a self-admitted liar, so who is the "worthless scum" in the equation?

WHAT? Where in the hell did you even come up with this?

Nowhere in my post did I ever refer to women as worthless scum or claim that he didn't harass her. Are you completely retarded? That's not a rhetorical question, I really want to know how you possibly made this connection.

All I said, if you will go back and read my post and comprehend it, is that it was most likely cheaper (and eliminating the negative press) to make it go away THEN TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT.