Creation Thread

[payney8]

here here. And you all have valid points to my post.

[ragged325]

I think we should require high school students to attend a class called "Noah's Ark". It would explain how Noah built a big boat and gathered two of each type of animal. Then the creator flooded the world and Noah floated around until it was dry again. The animal pairs went on to repopulate the earth. When it was over, God created rainbows as a promise that he would never flood the earth again (which is a pretty good explanation for rainbows).

Some of the students would believe this, but most would develop critical thinking skills and learn not to believe everything someone tells them.

[CorvallisBMW]

I think we should require high school students to attend a class called "Noah's Ark". It would explain how Noah built a big boat and gathered two of each type of animal. Then the creator flooded the world and Noah floated around until it was dry again. The animal pairs went on to repopulate the earth. When it was over, God created rainbows as a promise that he would never flood the earth again (which is a pretty good explanation for rainbows).

Some of the students would believe this, but most would develop critical thinking skills and learn not to believe everything someone tells them.

Ya, I always wondered how Noah managed to save the Kangaroos. Considering no one knew Australia existed, and they can't swim :P

[scottyp]

Spoken like a true ignoramus. You clearly don't understand how ridiculous you sound. Notice how the people that support creation in this thread don't deny evolution? That is because only the most irrational people still say that it didn't happen and that we were just put here by some ghost.

Seriously man, get a grip.

Aw man don't call me names that's not nice. I never called you names. Also please explain how i didn't deny evolution. and who built your car? your house? the clothes you are wearing?

There are many many many scientists that believe in creation and if you were to actually read some of the bible you would see that it is full of scientific knowledge that has been validated by modern science.

I am just posting my opinion there is no need to get angry about it.

[assoutE12]

Believing in magic and ghosts is one thing, and while I think to indoctrinate your kids with this crazyness is child abuse.

Keep that shit the fuck out of my schools!

[Turf1600]

if you were to actually read some of the bible you would see that it is full of scientific knowledge that has been validated by modern science.

Examples? Because I'm willing to bet they are all extremely vague.

[Farbin Kaiber]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061335290

I suggest a reading of this book. I rather enjoyed most of it.

[Turf1600]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061335290


I suggest a reading of this book. I rather enjoyed most of it.

Read it.

Besides, Dawkins is the world's most notorious atheist. I don't think anyone can change his mind (or mine).

[assoutE12]

yea that looks like a good read

[Farbin Kaiber]

There are many many many scientists that believe in creation and if you were to actually read some of the bible you would see that it is full of scientific knowledge that has been validated by modern science.

Well, I know the bible refers to cannabis, as part of a salve to rub on the ark of the covenant. I also know, that many items and places can be determined on a time table due to reigns of kings, historical geologic/meteorological events. I do not, however recall scientific statements/knowledge like the buoyancy of a boat in reference to the amount of animal volume in the form of an equation.

[Turf1600]

yea that looks like a good read

It was pretty much propaganda

[Turf1600]

Well, I know the bible refers to cannabis, as part of a salve to rub on the ark of the covenant. I also know, that many items and places can be determined on a time table due to reigns of kings, historical geologic/meteorological events. I do not, however recall scientific statements/knowledge like the buoyancy of a boat in reference to the amount of animal volume in the form of an equation.

He's referring to shit like "the bible stated that the earth was round" when in fact it's a sphere. There's a handfull of extremely vague references that can be misunderstood to be science.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Read it.

Besides, Dawkins is the world's most notorious atheist. I don't think anyone can change his mind (or mine).

Ok, but serious, remember, Stephen Hawking changed his mind and was man enough to type it into a box for us to hear.

[Farbin Kaiber]

He's referring to shit like "the bible stated that the earth was round" when in fact it's a sphere. There's a handfull of extremely vague references that can be misunderstood to be science.

Oh, that explains those crazy Christian Scientists that think they can pray away sickness and God wants them not to use traditional medicine.

Or, crazy Jehovah's Whiteness' that will not get a transfusion because they think the spirit lies in the blood due to some reference in the bible and they took it SOOO literal.

People need to dig a lil deeper than the text, and find the emotion/spirit/soul of what the words emoted by the person placing them there for the ages to try and grasp.

[Hallen]

Believing in magic and ghosts is one thing, and while I think to indoctrinate your kids with this crazyness is child abuse.

Keep that shit the fuck out of my schools!

You also have to understand that there is a lot of "shit" taught in schools today that many of the rest of us do not like. I have spent a lot of time "undoctrinating" my children after being at public schools. Revisionist histories, overdramatization of the roles of minor historical figures, social studies that cross the boundaries into political agenda's and doctrine, etc. In MY opinion, that crap is also "child abuse", to use your poorly phrased terminology. So, if you don't believe in religion, fine, keep your trap shut and don't try to foist your version of life on me, just as I expect religious people to do the same.

There is always a choice about which schools to send your children to and you can get involved with the school to enact change. It isn't easy and takes a lot of time, but that is pretty normal.

I don't believe that creationism should be taught in public schools because it is religion. There is a difference between scientific fact and scientific hypothesis and what religion is. Religion REQUIRES faith and that is something that public schools should not be teaching. That is what the millions of church organizations are for. Your child can receive all the religious history and creationist ideas there. In fact, it will be taught much better there than it ever will in a public school because... well because it is a public school where nothing gets done very well. There is plenty of fact to back up many of the things in the bible. This is basic archaeology and is something that public schools should teach. You can't try to hide religion. It is part of all of our cultures and societies. To extricate religion from history or social studies is a travesty and I would go so far as to argue that it is in itself a religious choice, ie, the religion of the atheist.

Add to that the millions of variations on religious sects, and you face an impossibility of teaching them in schools. If you introduce one, you have to try and at least introduce them all. While not all scientific theories can possibly be taught either, there is basic groundwork and basic skills can be taught. There is an element of faith when it comes to some of the more advanced and "out there" scientific theories too. You have to believe that the physicists really do know their stuff because honestly, I don't have the brain power or the schooling to understand it. However, science has proven that they are both right and wrong at times and that single fact is enough to validate a lot of stuff. Nothing we have now can prove the existence or the nonexistence of God, that is the part that requires faith. We can prove in many, many ways that people believe in God and that fact should never be ignored by public schools.

I guess the main point is that pubic schools are pretty generic and have to focus on the basic skills and fact based knowledge to prepare children for life. It is the parent's responsibility to insure that their child also gets the teachings on aspects of life that public schools should not and do not teach. That is always the case whether you are talking economics or religion.