Creation Thread

[eric (^__^)]

There is absolutely no practical reason to teach children intelligent design or the big bang theory in school, much less that there is a God. That's what going to church or not going to church is for.

[devonjordan]

otherwise intelligent people who believe in magic and fantasy when evidence and logic prove otherwise. I dont understand it, but i also dont fault them for it. As long as it helps people, im all for it, as long as a) they dont push it on me and b) a mutual respect is maintained.


Mariano

+1

[eric (^__^)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwo8qxUit00

some humorous commentary on the relationship between parents and schools

[CorvallisBMW]

So all those other older eastern religions stole the idea from Jesus lovers? What about the Torah, the qur'an and other assorted religious texts? Bhagavad Gita?

I was only talking about the Christian version of Creationism, as that is the only one involved in the teach/dont teach in public schools debate.

Obviously there are far older religions. Christianity took most of it's context from Judaism. The story of Noah and the Ark were borrowed from an ancient Babylonian tale, which was in turn borrowed from the ancient Sumarians before them. And on it goes......plagiarism at it's best :)

[trashcop 80s 80s]

Evolution is not a replacement for Divine Creation. You do not need to pick one or the other, you can pick both, or neither. They are exclusive with "nonoverlapping magisteria". Evolution does not attempt to define or explain creation, it only deals with how organisms change due to genetic mutations, environmental pressures, etc.. Evolution is not the Big Bang, the Big Bang is Physics. People confuse what the science of Evolution is really about, and what it is trying to explain to the point where they view it as a religion for scientists. It is not.

Creationism should not be taught in a science class, because it is not science. Science tries to explain things in the natural world through methods of experimentation and reasoning. Creationism is faith, and it deals with the supernatural. Science could never experiment on the existence of a god, and that is why "Creation Science" is a false term. It is not science at all.

[z31maniac]

Otherwise intelligent people who believe in magic and fantasy when evidence and logic prove otherwise. I dont understand it, but I also dont fault them for it. As long as it helps people, Im all for it, as long as A) they dont push it on me and B) A mutual respect is maintained.


Mariano

Also agreed.

[devonjordan]

Evolution is not a replacement for Divine Creation. You do not need to pick one or the other, you can pick both, or neither. They are exclusive with "nonoverlapping magisteria". Evolution does not attempt to define or explain creation, it only deals with how organisms change due to genetic mutations, environmental pressures, etc.. Evolution is not the Big Bang, the Big Bang is Physics. People confuse what the science of Evolution is really about, and what it is trying to explain to the point where they view it as a religion for scientists. It is not.

Creationism should not be taught in a science class, because it is not science. Science tries to explain things in the natural world through methods of experimentation and reasoning. Creationism is faith, and it deals with the supernatural. Science could never experiment on the existence of a god, and that is why "Creation Science" is a false term. It is not science at all.

Quoted, for a great explanation.

[CorvallisBMW]

Quoted, for a great explanation.

Agreed, very good post!

[TwoJ's]

Isn't that what we've all been saying?

Anyways, here's something a bit more entertaining:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

[peerless]

Isn't that what we've all been saying?

Anyways, here's something a bit more entertaining:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Thank You!

I could not have put it into words any better.

And neither could a book of fairy tales based on a the instant 'poof' creation of 2 souls called Adam and Eve.

[bwanac]

I don't have a problem with Creationism being taught in schools, as long as it's teached in a religion class. Creationism is a theory invented by christians and based in the christian faith. Hence it is a religious entity. And seeing as how there is zero evidence (outside the bible) that creationsim is real, I don't see it's place in science/biology courses. Everything taught in those courses can be tested, researched and observed. Creationism, by definition, cannot be any of those things; it's just a different animal altogether and I think it belongs in a religion class, not a science class.

Evolution is not a replacement for Divine Creation. You do not need to pick one or the other, you can pick both, or neither. They are exclusive with "nonoverlapping magisteria". Evolution does not attempt to define or explain creation, it only deals with how organisms change due to genetic mutations, environmental pressures, etc.. Evolution is not the Big Bang, the Big Bang is Physics. People confuse what the science of Evolution is really about, and what it is trying to explain to the point where they view it as a religion for scientists. It is not.

Creationism should not be taught in a science class, because it is not science. Science tries to explain things in the natural world through methods of experimentation and reasoning. Creationism is faith, and it deals with the supernatural. Science could never experiment on the existence of a god, and that is why "Creation Science" is a false term. It is not science at all.

Agreed.

Evolution/big bang are scientific theories that can be backed up with fairly certain facts and studies.

Religious creationism is derived from oral/written traditions. All of these traditions started with someone, at some time, who needed these explanations for some reason. As long as the origin is throuoghly explained I see no problem with teaching/exploring these ideas.

Knowing all of these things, and why people think differently, can only broaden people's knowledge. Eventually they can come to their own conclusion.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I was only talking about the Christian version of Creationism, as that is the only one involved in the teach/dont teach in public schools debate.

Obviously there are far older religions. Christianity took most of it's context from Judaism. The story of Noah and the Ark were borrowed from an ancient Babylonian tale, which was in turn borrowed from the ancient Sumarians before them. And on it goes......plagiarism at it's best :)

But who said that the teaching should only show the "Christian" angle? Why not a world based platform that uses a broad array of religious/historical/factual science basis of study material thru a gradual system via the public system that "acclimatizes" children to others the world over in a way simultaneously teaches a new, higher level of acceptance of others, effectively squashing out the concepts of prejudiced social actions. Start with small stories and facts that build to the reading
and understanding of portions of larger texts as Jr./HS classes continue.

It's not teaching "plagiarism" as you called it, it is teaching a history. Those "tales" were handed down for a reason, do you think they would have survived and propagated thru the ages if they were meaningless? The oral tradition-to-written references was only to carry those things before their paper abilities became an option.

There is a lot of other historical items that don't get taught... I would have also liked to hear about the Japanese Holocaust when learning of the events in Germany. Or how VW was involved with the German support of WWII, etc., but the education system is, has been and will be flawed/skewed (in every socially controlled education medium)to prevent many facts, and events form being taught. That's a whole different debate though.

[equate975]

I can see teaching creationism, to some extent. But if you do that, you have to teach EVERY religious creation story, not just Christian. I want children to learn it all, even Scientology how we were created by an Atari game going wrong. The game space aliens is actually how the world was created.

So I say, all or nothing. However we might have to make school a few years longer so they can learn the infinite amount of stories about creation from every race and religion.

Actually, fuck it. Whats the point. If you wanna learn that bullshit go to a private school. You just pay for your grades anyways, might as well learn some free shit on the side.

[devonjordan]

Actually, fuck it. Whats the point. If you wanna learn that bullshit go to a private school. You just pay for your grades anyways, might as well learn some free shit on the side.

I did the private school thing, learned the catholic mythology, and even took a class on Greek mythology at the same time. HAHA!

PS, I got kicked out, and my parents paid my way back in, if that says anything about the school.

[eric (^__^)]

Yeah, exactly. Go get a theology degree on your own time but don't bore my kid to death and make him think he's going to hell for having a boner in the morning, thanks.