Isreal bomb Gaza, killing 195

[joshh]

Joshh since your the historian of the Jewish race.... please tell me what the Jews are trying to do in this so called war thats going on today? The Jewish bible and the Christian Bible of today is very similar as they share the old testament. It is one of the bloodiest books you would ever read if you ever took the time to read. Just like any Book of religion you are either for or against what ever religion your reading. But again please let me know what this war is about. What is going to be the outcome and what are the Jewish people trying to do?

Ah yes the ol "You're the know all, answer me this...." horseshit. Fact is you don't know what is going on over there. That is clear.
I've read it thanks. You should read it yourself.
You're hitting very closely to the slippery slope. Are you going to answer the question or not?

It's not about the "Jewish people", but you wouldn't know that because you only read and view the American media, which is plainly obvious. Many Jews want peace.
I can only speculate as to what Israel's military and the people is power that are allowing these crimes to go on are going to do.
What they have been doing is slowly taking all the land. And not allowing the Palestinians to have a life of their own.
If you'd do some research, you'd see that the way Israel is taking land makes no sense for it's own defense (not that it makes sense at all). Allowing Hamas and other groups to target Jews and Jewish "settlements" (stealing land).
Do you consider occupation offense or defense? Considering this occupation has gone on for well over 30 years.
Do you think the people of Palestine should have their land and boarders as the Israelis do?
Do the people of Palestine deserve the same as Israel?

Israel is playing a similar card to what they were delt in WWII with the Palestinians. Beyond the rounding up and gassing.
Now are you going to actually read any links that have been given to you?

[Massive Lee]

This is a fantastic documentary on how american perceptions on the conflict are formed:

Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14055.htm

Is it sympathetic to one side?

How many have checked this documentary? Is it sympathetic to one side? Not... It only presents what makes the vision that Americans see, and the journalistic and media process that twists perception.

Please, read this, instead of posting stupid poles.

TIA

Lee

[yoni]

Everybody has an opinion -

Honestly... there isn't much place on an e30 forum for this topic..

Pretty much none of you know what you are talking about, with the exception of few..

I was born in Israel... I am Israeli.. My whole family still resides in Israel...

The issue isn't black and white.. and it's not as cut and dry as most of you seem to put it.

Go to Israel.. or to any of its surrounding countries... live there a while... speak to the people who call those places home..

[Massive Lee]

speak to the people who call those places home..

You mean Palestinians. Right? Too bad they don't live there anymore, with Jewsih settlers having occupied their home....

So Yoni. Are you just a regular Jew (everyone is entitled to a religion, and any religion is okay), or are you Zionist and thinking that Arabs are worth less than an Israeli?

[yoni]

Well of course you are, you're a product of the American media, not willing to see that Israel is the aggressor.
Genicide their way of life. OH MY GOD!!!!!!

You're a serious fucking moron.

[yoni]

You mean Palestinians. Right? Too bad they don't live there anymore, with Jewsih settlers having occupied their home....

So Yoni. Are you just a regular Jew (everyone is entitled to a religion, and any religion is okay), or are you Zionist and thinking that Arabs are worth less than an Israeli?

Lee -

You seem to really think you know what you are talking about... you don't.

I'm just a regular jew... no better, no worse, than anyone else.
I hate you all the same.. ;)

Seriously, though... you can talk and talk, and you are entitled to your opinions... but when you say "You mean Palestinians. Right? Too bad they don't live there anymore, with Jewsih settlers having occupied their home...." you make yourself seem far from educated.

Go read.

[Massive Lee]

So Yoni. I guess your point of view is pretty much biased (my guess is that you are another Zionist), and that it is your way or the wrong way...

Please, check the video. That might enlghten you...

[yoni]

Lee - like I just said, I am just a regular jew... I am not a Zionist ( lol ) nor do I think "my way or the highway" ...

I don't need to go watch your video - I lived there; with Jews and Arabs alike..

You keep saying how people are being close minded, and brainwashed by the media, and what not... and you are giving alternative media/videos to help support what you are saying..

It's pretty clear to me that you are the brainwashed one..
You haven't the slightest idea whats going on, other than your alternative media sources, what you see, and what you hear.

You are in FRENCH-CANADA - NOT THE MIDDLE EAST -

You don't know this, stuff, Lee... they don't teach this in the English Montreal School Board.

[Vedubin01]

So Yoni. I guess your point of view is pretty much biased (my guess is that you are another Zionist), and that it is your way or the wrong way...

Please, check the video. That might enlghten you...

That video is nothing but a Michael More video. You can always find ways to spin anything such as your attempt to post that video link.

In that video at first they are bitching about how they cant get around.... Well fuck when the Palestinians consider life as cheap as they do and feel they live to die by strapping TNT to ones self to be some martyr I would also have check points long as the hills to protect my people.

Israel gave back the Gaza strip back in 2006 if I recall. This was part of an act for peace. It did nothing but allow the Hamas to fire more of its rockets deeper into Israel. Israel forced their own out of their houses and displaced their own looking for a peace solution. Hamas was the ones that foiled that and they pay the price.

[Massive Lee]

You don't know this, stuff, Lee... they don't teach this in the English Montreal School Board.

So, what makes you think I don't know anything about the conflict? What makes you think I attended the English school board?

Maybe I can be twice your age and have gathered much more experience thru the past decades. Maybe I lived in several countries around the world and have a better POV of the situation. Maybe I even lived in an arab country that had 1/3 Christians, 1/3 Muslims and 1/3 Jews. Maybe I also have equal number of mulsim or Jewish friends and am not that biased ater all...

[Massive Lee]

Israel gave back the Gaza strip back in 2006 if I recall.

If I recall, 1967 borders are the legal norm. UNO asked it for 40 years. Anything beyond the 1967 border is hostile occupation.

[yoni]

So, what makes you think I don't know anything about the conflict? What makes you think I attended the English school board?

Maybe I can be twice your age and have gathered much more experience thru the past decades. Maybe I lived in several countries around the world and have a better POV of the situation. Maybe I even lived in an arab country that had 1/3 Christians, 1/3 Muslims and 1/3 Jews. Maybe I also have equal number of mulsim or Jewish friends and am not that biased ater all...

You can "gather experience" for decades to come -

You don't know it until you've lived it.

[joshh]

That video is nothing but a Michael More video. You can always find ways to spin anything such as your attempt to post that video link.

In that video at first they are bitching about how they cant get around.... Well fuck when the Palestinians consider life as cheap as they do and feel they live to die by strapping TNT to ones self to be some martyr I would also have check points long as the hills to protect my people.

Israel gave back the Gaza strip back in 2006 if I recall. This was part of an act for peace. It did nothing but allow the Hamas to fire more of its rockets deeper into Israel. Israel forced their own out of their houses and displaced their own looking for a peace solution. Hamas was the ones that foiled that and they pay the price.

Golly, what a HUGE fucking step for peace.
Here we'll give you back a fraction of what we took from you, now why don't we have peace.

[yoni]

Golly, what a HUGE fucking step for peace.
Here we'll give you back a fraction of what we took from you, now why don't we have peace.

You're an idiot...

You do realise that as soon as the ceasefire ended, rockets were flying, right?

[joshh]

Lee - like I just said, I am just a regular jew... I am not a Zionist ( lol ) nor do I think "my way or the highway" ...

I don't need to go watch your video - I lived there; with Jews and Arabs alike..

You keep saying how people are being close minded, and brainwashed by the media, and what not... and you are giving alternative media/videos to help support what you are saying..

It's pretty clear to me that you are the brainwashed one..
You haven't the slightest idea whats going on, other than your alternative media sources, what you see, and what you hear.

You are in FRENCH-CANADA - NOT THE MIDDLE EAST -

You don't know this, stuff, Lee... they don't teach this in the English Montreal School Board.

Oh sweet, let's here your justification for occupying anothers country for over 30 years. And while your justifying that, why don't you explain why Israel is adding new Jewish settlements to Palestine.