Isreal bomb Gaza, killing 195

[Massive Lee]

Massive Lee.... go watch Lawarence of Arabia...then come back about it to help displaced jews.

Lawrence of Arabia with Peter O'Toole is one of my cult movies. Thanks for reminding me of such a superb flick. Palestine (not Israel yet) was indeed a British colony in Arab territory. A few Jews were also doing terrorist acts against the Brits (Moshe Dayan was a known terrorist to the British intelligence). But it was still an Arab territory for which many Arab tribes were fighting against each other. But it was never a Jewish territory, as only a small minority, along with Christians, were living there for religious reasons, surrounded by Arabs of many tribes. Basically, the Brits had to leave that territory, US's president Truman was sympathetic to the Jewish cause and deducted that Jews were under oppression in Europe (by the Nazis) and that they should have their own territory. So basically, the US and the Brits took a territory that wasn't theirs, and gave it to the European Jews as a haven. No wonder Arabs got pissed off. Some Arabs have been living in refugee camps for generations. Some refugee camps have been attacked by the Israeli army and mass murders have happened - Google "Massacre" "Sabra" "Chatila"

[CorvallisBMW]

you obviously are clueless. why dont you go over there and sit down with hamas and reason with them with your buddy the chocolate jesus.
after the cease fire expired 3 hamas members were killed after being caught planting explosives by the israelis. hamas countered with rockets and israel bombed the shit out of them. its never going to end but it was justified. god youre a koombaiyah singing waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles.
turn the other cheek and let the terrorists rape you up the ass

Exactly. The whole reason Hamas fired the rockets is because their fucking terrorist pieces of shit were killed (a good thing). But, do you think that aggravating the problem further by using more violence is going to somehow have the opposite effect and make them suddenly give up? No; it's only going to make things worse. Both sides are fucked up. I'm not trying to defend one side or the other, but in this case, Israel took it way too far by killing over 200 people in response to just 1 of their citizens being killed. That's called an overreaction

[blunttech]

Exactly. The whole reason Hamas fired the rockets is because their fucking terrorist pieces of shit were killed (a good thing). But, do you think that aggravating the problem further by using more violence is going to somehow have the opposite effect and make them suddenly give up? No; it's only going to make things worse. Both sides are fucked up. I'm not trying to defend one side or the other, but in this case, Israel took it way too far by killing over 200 people in response to just 1 of their citizens being killed. That's called an overreaction

bullshit. they should wipe hamas off the map. Palestinians chose them in an election. i dont feel sorry for them

[deutschman]

Lawrence of Arabia with Peter O'Toole is one of my cult movies. Thanks for reminding me of such a superb flick. Palestine (not Israel yet) was indeed a British colony in Arab territory. A few Jews were also doing terrorist acts against the Brits (Moshe Dayan was a known terrorist to the British intelligence). But it was still an Arab territory for which many Arab tribes were fighting against each other. But it was never a Jewish territory, as only a small minority, along with Christians, were living there for religious reasons, surrounded by Arabs of many tribes. Basically, the Brits had to leave that territory, US's president Truman was sympathetic to the Jewish cause and deducted that Jews were under oppression in Europe (by the Nazis) and that they should have their own territory. So basically, the US and the Brits took a territory that wasn't theirs, and gave it to the European Jews as a haven. No wonder Arabs got pissed off. Some Arabs have been living in refugee camps for generations. Some refugee camps have been attacked by the Israeli army and mass murders have happened - Google "Massacre" "Sabra" "Chatila"

that just about sums it up. the reassigning of territories by the brits and the americans happened both after WWI and WWII and most historians blame many of the worlds currant problems in the east and parts of europe on this. although i am not quite sure on the fact that the brits helped the jews into palistine. they tried to keep many of them out which is why the jews formed groups to terorize the british sinking boats and bombing many military and sivilian building in the late 1940's. it was more the usa in this case who gave them the land. we were the first country to recognize them as a nation in 1948. winston churchill was an anti semite and i don not see him giving any land to the jewish people.

[mrsleeve]

bullshit. they should wipe hamas off the map. Palestinians chose them in an election. i dont feel sorry for them

This is my feelings on the subject as well.

Hamas got what was coming to them, if they stop "poking the badger with a spoon" then there would not be any issues like this and iseral would stop fucking them up.

The way I see it, if Hamas had not tried to set explosives in the 1st place then no problems, Hamas brings all this shit on them selves, they start it Israel finishes it, simple as that.

[E30 Cabrio]

Why do the lefties almost always side with the bad guys?

[Vedubin01]

Why do the lefties almost always side with the bad guys?

See your Avatar!

[kishg]

Why do the lefties almost always side with the bad guys?

that's crap.. lefties and righties in the US have almost always favored israel. case in point, hillary clinton.

btw, the world is not black and white, there's no good guys over there imo. israel has committed atrocities too, let's not forget that. the people of that region didn't ask for their land to be given away and separated either, but that's all past history. the fact is that israel is there to stay and hamas and others had better accept it.

[CorvallisBMW]

Why do the lefties almost always side with the bad guys?

ha ha ha, wow.

Hamas kills 1 Israeli civilian >>> They are the bad guys
Israel kills over 100 Palestinian civilians >>> They are the good guys

Did they let you off the short bus early today?

[blunttech]

ha ha ha, wow.

Hamas kills 1 israeli civilian >>> they are the bad guys
israel kills over 100 palestinian civilians >>> they are the good guys

did they let you off the short bus early today?

so you are saying hamas are not bad guys huh? I think youre piloting the short bus

[joshh]

israel has committed just as many atrocities over the last 60 years as any palestinian has. they are both guilty and there is no end to this shit in sight.

Exactly. Israel is guilty of keeping the hate going. All they've done is feed the machine. They can also pat themselves on the back for being responsible for the creation of Hamas.

[tofubento]

You know, of all things to debate with people about, the bits about Israel is the one I dont enjoy at all.

Its too many cases of catch 22 and common sense that was applied/wasnt applied.

Ill debate with an aethist all day long about religion, but man israel and palistine...that just leaves me with a headache.

[Vedubin01]

Exactly. Israel is guilty of keeping the hate going. All they've done is feed the machine. They can also pat themselves on the back for being responsible for the creation of Hamas.

Myth and Fact: The Creation of Hamas
Dr. Mitchell Bard


Myth:

"Israel created Hamas."
Fact:
Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.
Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.
Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.
Hamas certainly didn't believe it was being supported by Israel. As early as February 1988, the group put out a primer on how its members should behave if confronted by the Shin Bet. Several more instructional documents were distributed by Hamas to teach followers how to confront the Israelis and maintain secrecy.
Israel's assistance was more passive than active; that is, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. Israel also may have provided some funding to allow its security forces to infiltrate the organization. Meanwhile, Jordan was actively helping Hamas, with the aim of undermining the PLO and strengthening Jordanian influence in the territories.
Though some Israelis were very concerned about Hamas before rioting began in December 1987, Israel was reluctant to interfere with an Islamic organization, fearing that it might trigger charges of violating the Palestinians' freedom of religion. It was not until early in the intifada, when Hamas became actively involved in the violence, that the group began to be viewed as a potentially greater threat than the PLO. The turning point occurred in the summer of 1988 when Israel learned that Hamas was stockpiling arms to build an underground force and Hamas issued its covenant calling for the destruction of Israel. At this point it became clear that Hamas was not going to put off its jihad to liberate Palestine and was shifting its emphasis from charitable and educational activity to terrorism. Israel then began to crack down on Hamas and wiped out its entire command structure. Hamas has been waging a terror war against Israel ever since.

[blunttech]

bahahaha i hate cut and paste but this is one worthwhile

[joshh]

Myth and Fact: The Creation of Hamas
Dr. Mitchell Bard


Myth:

"Israel created Hamas."
Fact:
Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.
Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.
Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.
Hamas certainly didn't believe it was being supported by Israel. As early as February 1988, the group put out a primer on how its members should behave if confronted by the Shin Bet. Several more instructional documents were distributed by Hamas to teach followers how to confront the Israelis and maintain secrecy.
Israel's assistance was more passive than active; that is, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. Israel also may have provided some funding to allow its security forces to infiltrate the organization. Meanwhile, Jordan was actively helping Hamas, with the aim of undermining the PLO and strengthening Jordanian influence in the territories.
Though some Israelis were very concerned about Hamas before rioting began in December 1987, Israel was reluctant to interfere with an Islamic organization, fearing that it might trigger charges of violating the Palestinians' freedom of religion. It was not until early in the intifada, when Hamas became actively involved in the violence, that the group began to be viewed as a potentially greater threat than the PLO. The turning point occurred in the summer of 1988 when Israel learned that Hamas was stockpiling arms to build an underground force and Hamas issued its covenant calling for the destruction of Israel. At this point it became clear that Hamas was not going to put off its jihad to liberate Palestine and was shifting its emphasis from charitable and educational activity to terrorism. Israel then began to crack down on Hamas and wiped out its entire command structure. Hamas has been waging a terror war against Israel ever since.

Conveniently that leaves out many many facts.
This doesn't cover all the information at all.
Now do some research into how Hama was formed and why it became 100% anti Isael.
And I never said "Israel created Hamas".