Isreal bomb Gaza, killing 195

[Maluco]

indeed, there is alot of blind pro-Israel ignorance in this thread...

[DCColegrove]

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about but this is the kind of shit you're brainwashed into believing when you grow up watching American media that doesn't dare criticize israel (unlike the israeli media of course). It's ZIONISM that's the problem, not being jewish. If the arabs wanted israelis dead because they're jewish, then please explain to me why jewish populations survived and thrived in major arab cities like Damascus and Baghdad for THOUSANDS of years? If the arabs had wanted to wipe middle eastern jewry out they could have done it centuries ago, before there was anything called israel, and before anyone could have stopped them but for some reason they didn't. Why is that?

I'll give you the fucked up media in the USA..

However...

You haven't got a clue either because all the media is fucked up... Kill your TV and go look for yourself.

[Massive Lee]

Actually, the Jewish lobby around the world has been very good at shutting up anyone confronting the theory that Jews have the monopoly of suffering, even though there have been genocides much more attrocious that WWII's : Cambodgia, Africa, ex-Yougslavia.

So obviously, medias have embarked the bandwagon. The current toll in Gaza as of this morning is a thousand wounded, and 500 dead. All civilians. If Israel really wanted to anihilate Hamas, they could send a handfull of Mossad agents and they would do some cleansing, aiming only at the execs from Hamas. But poor Israelians, they have suffered for million years and are (again) the victim. They are only defending themselve...

[DCColegrove]

Actually, the Jewish lobby around the world has been very good at shutting up anyone confronting the theory that Jews have the monopoly of suffering, even though there have been genocides much more attrocious that WWII's : Cambodgia, Africa, ex-Yougslavia.

So obviously, medias have embarked the bandwagon. The current toll in Gaza as of this morning is a thousand wounded, and 500 dead. All civilians. If Israel really wanted to anihilate Hamas, they could send a handfull of Mossad agents and they would do some cleansing, aiming only at the execs from Hamas. But poor Israelians, they have suffered for million years and are (again) the victim. They are only defending themselve...

180 Degrees from wrong is still wrong... We call it "Fucked up in Reverse".

The arguments here are like playing footsies in another dimension.

[E-Thirty]

...You haven't got a clue either because all the media is fucked up... Kill your TV and go look for yourself.

[Massive Lee]

180 Degrees from wrong is still wrong... We call it "Fucked up in Reverse".

The arguments here are like playing footsies in another dimension.

You can believe whatever you want. Or have absolutely not critical sense.

[mrsleeve]

Lee dude get some history straight, worse than the death camps of wwII WTF the number of jews exterminated was in excess of 7million people, and 95% of them were jews. Pole pot only wiped out around 2million of his own people in Cambodia. In Africa are tribal wars that are kill hundreds of thousands and in the former Yugoslavia yeah sure there was some ethnic cleansing but not on the order of the Nazi's.

Why do you thin the saying "never again" has so much meaning to the jews around the world.

[DCColegrove]

You can believe whatever you want. Or have absolutely not critical sense.

Listen... I don't even belive what I belive...

But I do know that your view is just as bent as the next guy on these issues.

You are sitting in Montreal reading or watching whatever...

It's a long story but I was part of that media machine feeding you the image or sound byte bullshit you are buying into...Packaged clips then regurgitated in history books as truth.

I'm not defending the Israelis... Zionist, Pacifist, Jew, Christian or Muslim...

But you haven't even any idea what the meaning of the words War, Genocide or Atrocity is until you've been there and seen it for your self happening in real unedited life...

And then see what they said about it on the wire... ALL BS.

[delfin]

All I know is my Muslim friend in Kuwait says death to Israel while my Jewish friend in Israel is telling me that people are getting fucked up. Either way it's bullshit.

[Jamil]

This is a fantastic documentary on how american perceptions on the conflict are formed:

Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14055.htm

Is it sympathetic to one side? Absolutely, but at least it helps shed some light on how american perceptions are "managed". Try and watch it, and if you want to go on believing what you want to believe than at least you can say you looked at the other side and didn't agree.

[joshh]

Lee dude get some history straight, worse than the death camps of wwII WTF the number of jews exterminated was in excess of 7million people, and 95% of them were jews. Pole pot only wiped out around 2million of his own people in Cambodia. In Africa are tribal wars that are kill hundreds of thousands and in the former Yugoslavia yeah sure there was some ethnic cleansing but not on the order of the Nazi's.

Why do you thin the saying "never again" has so much meaning to the jews around the world.

Lee actual has a very good point. Even Joseph Stalin's murder of millions of his own people was largely ignored compared to the Jews in WWII. Including the Armenian genocide.
And the number is estimated at closer to 5 million Jews.

[DCColegrove]

Stalin bumped off a few Jews as well...

And hell there are some that deny and even belive the Jewish holocaust was a hoax...

Is this what we are talking about?

Don't leave the Romany (Gypsies) out....

EDIT: Hell...Come to think of it some say that there are no Palestinians... They were just made up to harass the Jews.

[mrsleeve]

yes your right stalin was just as bad, but he did not invade other countries an take just the jews to wipe the race off the earth, he was trying to keep his place of power through fear an it worked. Stalin was a very paranoid man and that cased him to be very leary of a cue de ta, so waht did he do wipe out a few million people including a number of jews as well.

he jews have been fucked with for 5000 years, now they have the means to defend them selves. Look you are right about them not being innocent of all the shit thats going on in the mid east. but you have to remember they are out numbered by a huge margin, by those that would see the job finished that Hitler failed to do, and some time the best defense is a good offense.

[joshh]

yes your right stalin was just as bad, but he did not invade other countries an take just the jews to wipe the race off the earth, he was trying to keep his place of power through fear an it worked. Stalin was a very paranoid man and that cased him to be very leary of a cue de ta, so waht did he do wipe out a few million people including a number of jews as well.

he jews have been fucked with for 5000 years, now they have the means to defend them selves. Look you are right about them not being innocent of all the shit thats going on in the mid east. but you have to remember they are out numbered by a huge margin, by those that would see the job finished that Hitler failed to do, and some time the best defense is a good offense.

Whoa whoa whoa....Hitler did not just take Jews. The estimates are that 10-12 million people were part of the Nazi death camps. 5 million being Jewish.

Might I remind you that Israel has the 4th strongest military in the world. Non of their neighbors have shit that could even come close to threatening Israel. That is the reality.

They are not defending themselves. What is an occupation?!

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey I never said that the jews were the only ones involved in the Nazi death camps, all the shit remember form school was that yes they killed 11-12 million and around 7-9million were jews.

Any way how are not the threatened, just because your neighbors only have torches an pitch forks dose not mean that are not a threat, Hell thats how Iran defeated Saddam in the early 80's 4 million Iranian men armed with a cotton rag on the head and a copy of the Koran routed the 4th or 5th largest standing army in the world at the time.