the only way out of all this crap is if o-man adopts conservative economic ideals, which is unlikely. we're pretty much fucked until he does, and if he does i'll be the first to say i was wrong.
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What we need is a truely free market. Not one controled by the banks and wallstreet hopefullness and invisible product.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
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wow so race has nothing to do with it huh
the words out of our new sec of labor own blog
1/8/09 "How to Create Jobs Without Them All Going to Skilled Professionals and White Male Construction Workers" - Robert Reich
What bunch of shit I work my whole life to be good at my crafts and take pride in my work!!!! You want a put a deck on you house who do you call the carpenter or a chiropractor????????? This place is gonna go down the shitter even faster that we suspected.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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The belief that Republicans and conservatives are somehow in support of small government and Democrats and liberals are in support of big government is a flat out lie. In fact, liberalism rejects government altogether. Conservatism, on the other hand, likes to limit ones civil rights and social freedoms. Tell me now, who is in support of big government? Please do some research before you go spewing bullshit from your uneducated mouth.Originally posted by blunt View Post
EDIT: Here's what your "small" conservative government has being doing for the past 8 years. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#28781200
You seriously want a truly free market? One that strips the planet of all it's natural resources and reduces people to inhuman worker bees? I don't think people realize how dangerous laissez-faire capitalism is. It is far more dangerous than Obama, or socialism will ever be. It is because of the unchecked, predatory tactics of the capitalist banking establishment that we are in this mess to begin with.Originally posted by joshh View PostLast edited by Guest; 01-22-2009, 09:40 PM.Comment
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Again, it is because of so-called "conservative economic ideals" that we are in this mess to begin with. Unchecked predatory lending by the capitalist banking establishment is the reason that the economy is in shambles and if there was more regulation, it wouldn't have been allowed to continue. Regulation is the answer.Originally posted by gwb72tii View PostComment
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dude you should seriously try checking history before you barf this nonsense. i mean your in the land of higher learning at WWU right.Originally posted by h0lmes View Post
get your ass down to the library.
clinton promoted community lending laws, congress passed them with bi-partisan support, and viola!! subprime mortgages were mandated. it's the fucking government's involvement in the economy that created this mess with it's regulations in the first place.
barney frank and chris dodd then encouraged fannie mae and freddie mac to own this shit, and wall street saw an easy way to make money. create a mortgage, sell it to wall street, have freddie, fannie and an other institution buy it.
push the hell out of it till it breaks, which wall street is very good at. and now we pay for it.
government is the FUCKING PROBLEM.
conservative economic ideals means creating an environment that rewards risk taking, creates investment in the private sector, where wealth and jobs are created.
ever ask your prof who won the tet offensive?“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
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there were people who recognized the huge issues with subprime loans as many as 10 years ago when that whole thing went through. The problem was simply ignored though as everything appeared to be going just fine (nobody wants to complain when things are good). on the surface anyway.
that and our tax and spend liberal goverment (including ol' GWB) spent every dime they could during the good times, and now they have a huge shortfall because so many taxes were related to housing wealth. I believe our own WA governer was increasing spending at a 15% a year clip, simply amazing. They were all predicting it would keep growing like that forever (actually, they were counting on it by borrowing even more), as people who don't plan ahead for the long term often do.
We need to make our goverment save and invest for the future instead of just spending every dime they get and every dime they might get. 20% of GDP comes from the government (which doesn't actually produce anything) if that tells you anything.Comment
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A 'truly free market' no longer exists. Adam Smith had great ideas, and many of those ideas are still in play to this day, however; free markets didn't last long, mostly because Adam Smith didn't account for the impact factories would have on economics (he couldn't see into the future.)Originally posted by joshh View Post
Besides, the late 20's clearly demonstrated the shortcomings of an unregulated economy. That does not discount the fact that the free market is still (IMHO) the best platform for any economy, Keynes just made it better.sigpicComment
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keynesian economics is part of why we are in this huge mess. It's left our government with a 12 trillion dollar pile of debt that is never going to be paid off. I just hope I'm dead before the US goverment has to default on their debt payments, but I'm not hopeful. Social security is going to come knocking soon and it won't be pretty.Comment
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Keynesian economics is part of why we are in this mess? No, bending the rules is why we are in this mess.Originally posted by nando View Post
If it weren't for Keynes we wouldn't have a mess to be in anyway, don't forget that 8 years ago we had a substantial surplus.
Even though we have debt, what country doesn't? Our debt is like a mortgage on a house, and we're much better off than we think.sigpicComment
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Australia.Originally posted by stegosaurus View Post
I don't know how you can possibly think a deficit of $12 trillion (and growing) can be good for a $15 trillion (and shrinking) economy. The government can keep printing money and giving it out to the "poor", doesn't mean it's worth anything though.Comment
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Our government is completely responsible for the subprime mess too, but I guess some people don't like them apples. Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were basically mandated by law to give loans to people who couldn't really afford them. But now it's being blamed on "evil capitalism". It's okay though because the liberals are here with the money printing presses to save the day!!Originally posted by CBiComment
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View Postwow so race has nothing to do with it huh
the words out of our new sec of labor own blog
1/8/09 "How to Create Jobs Without Them All Going to Skilled Professionals and White Male Construction Workers" - Robert Reich
What bunch of shit I work my whole life to be good at my crafts and take pride in my work!!!! You want a put a deck on you house who do you call the carpenter or a chiropractor????????? This place is gonna go down the shitter even faster that we suspected.
how can anyone not call this blatant racism. just because you are not white does that grant you a free pass to make statements like this???
if bush or any member of his cabinate had made a statement like this can you imagine the shit storm????????
republicans and democrats alike should be outraged at this statement alone! someone should atleast teach him to conceil his racism a little better.
slave reperations?????
my family came over here from europe (england, germany, scottland, ireland) in the middle to late 1800's. we have never owned a slave. does the fact that in my family history there has been no slave ownership make me exempt from paying into this????? just because you are white doesn't mean you have owned a slave, therefore i should not be financially responsable for the reparations. the majority of america has had no slave ownership in their family history, should they be required to pay for a "crime" that they did not commit????
the greatest step forward this country could take is to take responsability for ones own actions, if they are good or bad, you caused them, they are your own fault!
only then will you start to see a REAL turn around in this country, we all need a huge attitude adjustment.seien Sie größer, als Sie erscheinen
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this country is going down the shitter, and obama's team is greasing the skids“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
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And that's why I plan on relocating there someday. That and all the sexy women and good weather :)Originally posted by nando View PostAustralia.
I don't know how you can possibly think a deficit of $12 trillion (and growing) can be good for a $15 trillion (and shrinking) economy. The government can keep printing money and giving it out to the "poor", doesn't mean it's worth anything though.Comment
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