The "Last Day of Freedom"

[h0lmes]

this country is going down the shitter, and obama's team is greasing the skids

Cry me a fucking river. I'm going to tell you exactly what all us "unpatriotic" people were told at various times in the past 8 years. "If you don't like it then leave."

[joshh]

The belief that Republicans and conservatives are somehow in support of small government and Democrats and liberals are in support of big government is a flat out lie. In fact, liberalism rejects government altogether. Conservatism, on the other hand, likes to limit ones civil rights and social freedoms. Tell me now, who is in support of big government? Please do some research before you go spewing bullshit from your uneducated mouth.

EDIT: Here's what your "small" conservative government has being doing for the past 8 years. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#28781200



You seriously want a truly free market? One that strips the planet of all it's natural resources and reduces people to inhuman worker bees? I don't think people realize how dangerous laissez-faire capitalism is. It is far more dangerous than Obama, or socialism will ever be. It is because of the unchecked, predatory tactics of the capitalist banking establishment that we are in this mess to begin with.

WTF...a free market is still regulated by laws. I didn't say an anarchy market.

[h0lmes]

WTF...a free market is still regulated by laws. I didn't say an anarchy market.

Huh? A truly free market is NOT regulated by laws.

[joshh]

Huh? A truly free market is NOT regulated by laws.

WHAT!! I don't know what you've been reading. There are many ideas of "free trade" but that has nothing to do with free trade.
Free trade is allowing companies to trade buy and sell with little to no government regulations. Who what and where. It's not a perfevt system but we haven't had a free market since the 1700's. Some would like to think we have a free market, but we don't.
It doesn't mean you can start knocking people over the head and get into the slave market.

[h0lmes]

WHAT!! I don't know what you've been reading. There are many ideas of "free trade" but that has nothing to do with free trade.
Free trade is allowing companies to trade buy and sell with little to no government regulations. Who what and where. It's not a perfevt system but we haven't had a free market since the 1700's. Some would like to think we have a free market, but we don't.
It doesn't mean you can start knocking people over the head and get into the slave market.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/free%20market

So first you said that a free market is regulated by laws, now you're saying it's not? That's quite the contradiction.

[joshh]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/free%20market

So first you said that a free market is regulated by laws, now you're saying it's not? That's quite the contradiction.

No that's not what I said. You're trying to say a free market is companies being able to do whatever they want. The idea of a free market makes that impossible to begin with.
Free market is all about competition between businesses.
But making laws that keep businesses from taking advantage of empoyees is still needed. Many people would disagree with me here. But in a free market you wouldn't need them but doesn't mean they are not there. Prices and pay would regulate themselves. Because of competition between businesses you have a "stabilized" market. Prices wouldn't change much unless the whole market changed. It equalizes the market.
Monopolies would have a very tough time existing. Because they would have competition. Taking away the word monopoly.
So the laws made are only there in case of a failure of the system. And it's not a perfect system.
Some people would like to see no laws at all. I think that would possibly be a disaster. Specially since many Americans are willing to fuck over the next guy for more cash. But i also said there are different ideas on what a free market is.
I should have explained what I meant from the start instead of simply saying "truly free market'. Which leaves the door open.
Slave labor would be impossible in a free market. Or that is the idea.

[blunttech]

dude you should seriously try checking history before you barf this nonsense. i mean your in the land of higher learning at WWU right.
get your ass down to the library.
clinton promoted community lending laws, congress passed them with bi-partisan support, and viola!! subprime mortgages were mandated. it's the fucking government's involvement in the economy that created this mess with it's regulations in the first place.
barney frank and chris dodd then encouraged fannie mae and freddie mac to own this shit, and wall street saw an easy way to make money. create a mortgage, sell it to wall street, have freddie, fannie and an other institution buy it.
push the hell out of it till it breaks, which wall street is very good at. and now we pay for it.
government is the FUCKING PROBLEM.
conservative economic ideals means creating an environment that rewards risk taking, creates investment in the private sector, where wealth and jobs are created.

ever ask your prof who won the tet offensive?

george, the sooner you realize h0lmes is the dumbest fuck on this board the better off youll be. im amazed hes able to dress himself in the morning

[Money$hit]

I think we would be slightly better off if H0mless didnt rip the bong before posting.

And Keynesian economics is bullshit. Let the market self correct.

[blunttech]

I think we would be slightly better off if H0mless didnt rip the bong before posting.

And Keynesian economics is bullshit. Let the market self correct.

i dont think its really h0lmes fault. i suspect his parents are named "moonbeam" and "promise"

[nando]

Cry me a fucking river. I'm going to tell you exactly what all us "unpatriotic" people were told at various times in the past 8 years. "If you don't like it then leave."

the answer to your other post is simple, bush and his administration wasn't fiscally conservative. that's pretty obvious by his record budget deficits and failed tax "rebate" program, which for some reason they're going to try again with a different name.

A free market system does in fact need rules - like strong property rights and accountability checks. It doesn't need the government "saving" companies by basically scaring away private investment and nationalizing them, or taxing them until basically there's no incentive to invest or be productive.

[gwb72tii]

I think we would be slightly better off if H0mless didnt rip the bong before posting.

And Keynesian economics is bullshit. Let the market self correct.

ripping the bong leads to amazing insights

[brandon11130]

capitalism without bankruptcy is like religion without hell

[gwb72tii]

Cry me a fucking river. I'm going to tell you exactly what all us "unpatriotic" people were told at various times in the past 8 years. "If you don't like it then leave."

we never told you to leave holmesie
we just told you you're ignorant