Interesting line in the final stimulus plan

[mrsleeve]

BS do your research. atlanta is in the middle of a huge water and sewer revamp.
It spans the entire city.

NO shit

many city's are doing this, a water line thats lived for longer than 50 years needs to be redone. I think I have done plenty of research I put the shit in for 10 years in city's. I bet if you do your research you will find there is lots of lead joint (lead used to seal the pipes) and lead pipes running from the main to the homes, especially in the older parts of the city. That shit needs to come out and be replaced.

Also if you have combined sewer (the storm run off and sanitary run together) which I bet you do for anything put in before 1990, the feds have passed a law back in 1990 or 91, that all sewer systems in the country must be separated by 2015 or the CSO program (Combined Sewer Overflow). This was mandated by the EPA, as when there is a lager rain storm it will over load the system and the over flows run to your rivers and wash human waste into them, thus the separation was mandated. I bet if you go and look at a place that has been redone you will see a fish or "drains to a water way" on the storm grates. Go to a place that has not had the revamp work yet and you wont see that on the castings, as all that run off still has to run to the treatment plant. Yes its also cheaper for the city as it dose not have to treat all the storm run off. So while you are in there with most places are redoing the water main as well even if its a bit newer.

[delatlanta1281]

I must have read you post wrong. My bad. But I would say that the total weight on our roads has gone up ALOT since the 70s. There are way more transport trucks on the roads, not to mention I would think most suvs weigh as much as a Granada. IMO there are more suvs (especially big ones) than there were in the 70s, and the amount of pickup trucks, vans and large work trucks have increased as population and sprawl has increased.

[Kman]

Yep. nObama promised "transparency" and claimed the bill would be posted online for public viewing for 48 hours.

Then, because Pelosi had to take a trip, the vote was rushed but then the bill won't be signed until after the holiday weekend.

nObama made all these promises and has broken most of them, but not a peep from the MSM

We've been hoodwinked, big time.

Next up, the "Fairness Doctrine" which will only apply to talk radio in an effort to silence dissent.

Then, a "Supermajority" of Dems and the repeal of the 22nd Amendment so Obama can be Dictator for life, much like Chavez.

BTW, where is this money going to come from?

Are we going to borrow it?

Print it?

Raise taxes?

Gee, Obama failed to mention that.

Maybe because no one in the MSM bothered to ask him.

most of the money will come from bonds (borrow it i guess you could say).

The federal government sells bonds to other countries and promises interest rates (low rates, a few percent). this only works at the federal level however and thats why you dont hear about your states doing it. foreign countries (lack of a better word) trust the federal government more then the states to repay.

yes money will still come from raised taxes, and some will be printed.

[Old'n'Slow]

Wow..all I really have to say....Mr. Boehner's 36 second speech was good....NOT ONE PERSON read it....how sad is our government now-a-days?

Well Boehner sure jumped all over voting for the first bailout. You remember....that big ol' pile of no-strings-attached money for the "troubled" banks.

He's one of the worst of the partisan mud-slingers. I should know....he's my "representative".

[gwb72tii]

all you 20 something yr olds, you all need to get politically active NOW
both political parties are stealing your future, and he only way to stop it is for your generation to vote these fuckers out of office.
there are plenty of voters my age that believe we should not be spending your money, but there are also a lot that are either ignorant or are immoral and don't care what happens down the road. if you educate yourselves and organize, we can end this unending spend, spend and spend.

before this bill was passed, when i retire in 15 years at 70yrs old, my social secutity benefit is supposed to be $34,500/yr. that sounds great right? problem is there will be less than 2 of you working for every one of me getting soc security. i'm taking about $17,250/yr from 2 of you every year. that's before this stimulus bill.

you guys are getting raped, and obama and most politicians don't care.

[Das Boots]

I retire in 10 yrs.....you young ones will be supporting my retirement. If you do not wake up, you will pay more. We warned you about this prior to the election...you did not listen to the older folks. You guys were so enamored with the Second Coming, the Messiah or whatever. I really hope this so-called Congressional Report Act Program (CRAP) will blow up on the Dems face...

[wannaBMthree]

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -Alexis de Tocqueville

[Hallen]

Yeeeeaaaa, no.

You ever seen how a PTA or a homeowner's association is run? We'd have 15 bridges collapsing a day with gravel paved roads while every one of their offices has a 60 inch plasma.

The whole libertarian argument dies when you realize that small governments are usually 100x worse than a big one. No one wants to spend money on infrastructure, it isn't sexy.



Sounds nice in a textbook, doesn't work when global economic collapse is the result of "letting shitty companies fail". There are no "smart" companies anymore, especially banks. There are no "better" people, only a bunch of glorified day-trading retards.



Please explain to me how the complete collapse of the financial system and 35-40% (easily) unemployment will "fix" the problem and allow this utopian capatilist society to grow, please.




Next time, do a *little* research on the state of the big 2.5, as well as the plans & restructuring they've done in the past 5 years. I implore you, really. Because otherwise, making statements like this really make you look clueless.

-Charlie

And your berating people to make yourself sound superior is making you look clueless.

Capitalism works but only when it is left alone. We don't have capitalism in the US and probably haven't ever. We have a mix of capitalism and socialism.

You need to understand that the government is just as much, if not more, to blame for the bank collapse as the bankers are. That doesn't change the fact that the bailout wasn't really necessary... but it probably saved us from bigger pains than we are seeing now. It's hard to say.

The demand for loans does not magically disappear over night. The demand for banking doesn't go away. If those companies were left alone, then other banks would have picked up the slack. It would have taken time, but it would have worked. The pain we would all go through would be higher than it should be because of artificial bubble created by the government. That is the crux of the problem. Create an environment were stupidity is rewarded, and you will see lots of stupidity.

So, correct me if I am wrong, but you are making it sound like big government is the way to go so we don't have these problems. Well, you are right in one way. But are you really ready for that? I doubt it.

And btw, I think Libertarians are for small government in the form the framers of the constitution envisioned. Not that the only government we need is local government.

[LEANE30]

Mr. Boehner - GOP Leader - puts your thoughts into perspective....



So much for our 'representative' government. Thank you for pointing this out Boehner.


Jon

...it needed another quote.

[moatilliatta]

Sorry, but I think it is about something else.

1) Power
From which springs money.

So really it just money....

[Charlie]

And your berating people to make yourself sound superior is making you look clueless.

Capitalism works but only when it is left alone. We don't have capitalism in the US and probably haven't ever. We have a mix of capitalism and socialism.

You need to understand that the government is just as much, if not more, to blame for the bank collapse as the bankers are. That doesn't change the fact that the bailout wasn't really necessary... but it probably saved us from bigger pains than we are seeing now. It's hard to say.

The demand for loans does not magically disappear over night. The demand for banking doesn't go away. If those companies were left alone, then other banks would have picked up the slack. It would have taken time, but it would have worked. The pain we would all go through would be higher than it should be because of artificial bubble created by the government. That is the crux of the problem. Create an environment were stupidity is rewarded, and you will see lots of stupidity.

So, correct me if I am wrong, but you are making it sound like big government is the way to go so we don't have these problems. Well, you are right in one way. But are you really ready for that? I doubt it.

And btw, I think Libertarians are for small government in the form the framers of the constitution envisioned. Not that the only government we need is local government.

They pulled Glass-Steagal in what, '99? It only took these companies 4-5 years to go hogwild and OD off of the Mortgage-backed securities & CDO crackpipe.

Regulations get severely relaxed ,and in less than 10 years, almost all of the major banks in the US, actually the world, fail. I'm all for unbridled capitalism in theory, but the sad fact remains that most people are too stupid to understand or safely practice it. I'm not in support of the 800+billion we're going to spend to fix these fuckups, but the Paultard/Libertarian/Mouthbreather arguments I see against it just make me roll my eyes.

CNBC has been running their "house of cards" special a lot the past week or so, I suggest you catch a replay. It's pretty apalling when you see how many of these firms operate(d). These large financial regimes were run by men with the financial acumen of some 22 year old fucktard with an e-trade account.

-Charlie

[dj01540i6sp]

They will do what they want and that is it.
Here is a way they could recoup some $.

THE JOB - URINE TEST

(Whoever wrote this one deserves a HUGE pat on the back!)




Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their Ass doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't. Hope you all will pass it along, though. . Some thing has to change in this country -- and soon!!!!!!!

I guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'.