well, i am biased against GM from an early screwing the company put on me over a vega aluminum motor burning a quart of oil per tankfull, that according to the company wasn't bad enough to repair under warranty.
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Hmmmm. I'm not really sure why you posted this - it compares the "value" of the Cruze and expected reliability versus its current competition... but doesn't relate it at all to the Cavalier, so kinda misses the point entirely (not exactly a first for you...)
2004 Cavalier Review from Consumer Reports:
The worst score for owner satisfaction."The Cavalier and the similar Pontiac Sunfire are unpleasant, crude, and outdated. The engine offers good performance but is noisy and coarse. The Cavalier's virtues are quick acceleration, respectable fuel economy, and a smooth automatic transmission. The ride is stiff, uncomfortable, and lacking in control. Front seats lack support, while the rear seat is barely adequate. Interior fit and finish are decidedly inferior. Antilock brakes are no longer standard, removing one of the Cavalier's few advantages. Poor offset- and side-crash performance is another detriment. The new Cobalt replaces the Cavalier for 2005."
Base price $10,135-17,610.
2004 Cavalier Review from Edmunds New Car Buyer's Guide:
Editor Rating: 5.0"Despite the new look, there's no hiding the fact that this car was engineered more than a decade ago, leaving it hopelessly out-classed by nearly every other car on the market."
"Cons: Ancient design inside and out, cheap interior materials, poor build quality, low resale value, poor side-impact and front-offset crash test results"
"Interior design and special features: The Cavalier's interior has never been one of its strong points. The materials look and feel cheap and there's not a hint of style anywhere to be found. The seats aren't very comfortable an the build quality leaves a lot to be desired. Although most cars in this class lack much design flair, the Cavalier still manages to pale in comparison."
Competitors from same year:
RSX - 7.9
Neon - 5.9
Focus - 7.6
Civic - 8.1
Accent - 7.5
Elantra - 7.7
Tiberon - 7.8
Rio - 6.9
Spectra - 7.7
Mazda 3 - 8.4
Mini - 7.9
Lancer - 7.7
Sentra - 7.0
xA - 7.8
xB - 8.2
Suzuki Aerio - 6.8
Corolla 8.0
Golf - 8.4
The only competitor that was anywhere close to being as bad as the Cavalier was the Neon - and that was also a piece of shit car.
If you have driven or ridden in both, the difference is drastic. But to actually offer a comparison, here's a link about just this:
I grew up when Chevrolet offered the Cavalier and the Cobalt, both of which were so absolutely terrible that I dreaded even getting one as a rental when traveling abroad. Not to mention, the woefulness extended further than Chevy’s entry-level lineup. I’ll bet many others my age and even a little older have a general distaste for the nameplate because of the cars we remembered the brand for making. But truth be told, Chevrolet – or GM in general in fact – has made a huge improvement after filing for Chapter 11 back in 2009.
GM swears that their first effort post-restructuring is a world-class leader in its segment. That first effort is the Chevrolet Cruze. GM’s at-the-time president of North American operations said about the Cruze during its press release: “people will buy it not because it’s cheap, but because they like it.”While the Ford Focus and the Hyundai Elantra both try to keep their interior modern featuring designs that can come off as a bit odd, the Chevrolet Cruze’s interior I think tops them all with a proper balance of modernity, aesthetics, ergonomics and most of all, build quality. That’s not to say the Elantra and the Focus aren’t well put together. But using “build quality” and Chevrolet in the same sentence never exactly evoked any positive comments from Chevrolet’s of the past. With the Cruze, it’s the complete opposite.
I would have to say that the interior of the Cruze is by far the best of the bunch, overshadowing even the previous leader in initial interior build quality, the Volkswagen Jetta. All of the materials and surfaces made you think that you were in a car that cost at least a good $10,000 more than the Cruze’s sub-$20,000 price.On the complete upside, handling and ride quality, much like the interior, seem to be strong suits. Although it is far from the connected and enthralling liveliness of the Mazda3, the Cruze still makes a statement for itself for a decent blend between the two. Approach a corner and body motions are very well controlled with little to no waft. Factor in some scenarios with different road surfaces and varying bank angles, the Cruze manages to handle like a champ evoking more confidence than you’d expect with equally the amount of composure.
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Make your way to the highway however, the Cruze manages to pull off the title as being the best long-distance cruiser of any car in its segment. The ride quality and body control are truly class-leading for their abilities to give the Cruze the feeling of a much more upscale automobile.It ought to be obvious to anyone that the Cruze is leaps and bounds better than the Cavalier or Cobalt. And doing even the compact car right should be a sign of their rebirth.When compared to the competition, the Chevrolet Cruze is undoubtedly a serious player in the segment of econo-sedans and this is quite a statement. After conducting some research of Chevy’s past attempts at econo-sedans, it seems that success in the segment never really went well for Chevrolet’s attempts. And this dates back to the days of the loathed Chevette and Cavalier.Comment
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I had a 98 2d 5 spd 2.2 base model Caviler shit box. I used it like a pickup at work and around the farm for about 3 years. I could not kill it for the life of me, and I tired very hard to kill it. I bought with 80k on with a blown clutch for 400 bucks. Put a el cheapo clutch kit in it and tune up. Drove it for 80k miles, very very hard miles and got 33mpg most of the time with it. Then sold it to a buddy of mine when I moved, and he put another 90k on I think just commuting to school and back every day and it still would not die. It had to be T boned by some fuck stick in a minivan in the pass side to kill it. It was a shit box, uncomfortable POS for sure, but reliable as a rock with the bare minimum in maintenance its entire life, never left anyone stranded, all stock shit other than the clutch, with 250k on it. I miss that car.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
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There is about a $6 to $7k difference in New MSRPs. I would hope there would be some improvements.
2004 Chevy Cavalier
2012 Chevy CruzeBuild your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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Yeah, I believe that's a given when you start making cars to sell based on people wanting them, instead of just being cheap (and crappy).
But taking inflation into consideration:
$12,312-$21,392
$17,428-23,478
That's a lot of improvement for ~$2k more for the top of the range.
And looking at YOUR link from US News ranking...
Has the Chevrolet Cruze as best 2012 Car for the Money in Compact Car...
The 2012 Chevrolet Cruze ranks 6 out of 41 Affordable Small Cars. This ranking is based on our analysis of 44 published reviews and test drives of the Chevrolet Cruze, and our analysis of reliability and safety data.
The 2012 Chevrolet Cruze is praised by automotive journalists for its great fuel economy, roomy cabin and upscale feel for the price. That's why the Cruze is our Best Compact Car for the Money.The only cars in its class that outshine it are the Chevrolet Sonic, the also greatly improved (at least here in the States) Ford Focus, the greatly improved Elantra, and newer Fit and then Fiesta.Though the 2012 Chevrolet Cruze has a starting price that's a bit high for the class, the automotive press says it will appeal to buyers because it does so many things well. "Chevrolet has produced a well-rounded compact sedan that easily holds its own with the best entries in this class,"
Who argues about a car competitively priced while being among the best in its class not being better than bottom of the barrel but cheap?? Ridiculous again.Comment
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And looking at YOUR link from US News ranking...
Has the Chevrolet Cruze as best 2012 Car for the Money in Compact Car...
As Im pretty sure Chevy compensated USNews pretty nicely for that "Best of 2012" rating.Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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Maybe
Last edited by Vedubin01; 08-04-2012, 08:33 AM.Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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Once again, I think the issue is you cannot seem to read well.Maybe
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...te-or-Bought-/
^DID YOU EVEN READ THIS LINK THAT YOU POSTED??
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...10/476862.html
You negated your own ridiculous claim...Originally posted by The US News link that YOU postedLast edited by rwh11385; 08-04-2012, 12:25 PM.Comment
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the word is "fee" Does not mean they did not pay US News to put them there. GM is known as well as others in doing so for ratings. US News just does not charge a "fee"Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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