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  • mar1t1me
    E30 Modder
    • Sep 2009
    • 863

    #586
    Originally posted by stegosaurus
    They don't have to go around trying to fight everyone to be just as bad.
    So we need to ban concerts, marijuana, booze AND stupid people....

    You see a cross section of society at most concerts. There are stupid people everywhere. They are not a product of pot. They are a product of society. They would be stupid without the pot.

    That said, although I am not and have never been a user, I have many friends who are. They are intelligent people, not drug abusers. No matter the substance, there will be those who will abuse it. Banning it does not prevent abuse. Witness the never-ending War on Drugs. Zero Tolerance laws fill prisons with non-violent offenders whose job prospects are ruined forever because the got caught with a little pot. Spending $30,000 a year to feed, house and clothe someone who is not a threat to himself or society is absolutely ridiculous. We have to release violent people to house them!

    Drug laws are fucked up too:

    Section 115 of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (more familiarly known as the welfare reform act), under which persons convicted of a state or federal felony offense for selling or using drugs are subject to a lifetime ban on receiving cash assistance and food stamps. Convictions for other crimes, including murder, do not result in the loss of benefits. Section 115 affects an estimated 92,000 women and 135,000 children.

    So, kill your granny and keep your benefits. Get caught smoking pot and face a lifetime ban. Yeah....that's fair...

    Got busted and want to turn your life around-maybe go to school? Not so fast....

    The 1998 Higher Education Act's (HEA) drug provision (also known as the "Aid Elimination Penalty"), which states that people with drug convictions cannot receive federal financial aid for a period of time determined by the type and number of convictions. This law does not apply to others with convictions, including drunk-driving offenses, violent crimes, or other criminal offenses. Since the law went into effect in 2000, some 200,000 have been denied student financial aid.


    Of course, you can drink yourself into a stupor, beat your wife and kids, drive under the influence and kill someone, and even you go to jail, you can keep all your benefits. But smoke one joint.......

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    • ACMF74
      E30 Fanatic
      • Nov 2005
      • 1245

      #587
      Originally posted by chadthestampede
      Derp.
      Originally posted by scabzzzz
      Take all of that, and apply it to drinking. Then go buy a bottle of booz.

      My "dad" is an alcoholic.. Because of whiskey, he was more prone to increased father absence, tardiness to baseball games, accidents in a car, no workers compensation claim (didnt work, too drunk), and job turnover (see previous). It really impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status. Last time I checked, the dude at the liquor store will gladly sell you the tool to achieve such a lack luster life. Its got nothing to do with the plant, but more to do with the operator and their own self motivation and willingness to provide THEMSELVES with a fulfilling and rewarding life.
      So QFT and GTFO
      Again people don't exercise self-control ....they don't know when to say "I had enough".....

      People tend to overdue it when taking pleasure in something...

      I socially drink and may have a cigarette once in-awhile. I enjoy my drink/smoke MORE because I don't abuse it. If I could smoke a pack of Marlboro regulars a day I WOULD, but I don't because of the obvious reasons.

      People LOVE to blame everything else for there addiction except themselves. Don't blame the guy in the liquor store why you cant stop drinking. People tend to be there own worst enemy.
      Last edited by ACMF74; 03-27-2010, 08:20 AM.

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      • scabzzzz
        Estado de mierda de encargo
        • Jul 2007
        • 6870

        #588
        Originally posted by ACMF74
        People tend to be there own worst enemy.

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        • Nic01101011
          E30 Mastermind
          • Jan 2008
          • 1549

          #589
          self ownage ITT

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          • SpoolnDaapex
            Advanced Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 150

            #590
            Originally posted by ACMF74
            Because like most people in the country they don't have self control. I can apply this to pot (any drug for that matter), alcohol and even food. People in this country use everything in excess. Why does someone need to continually need to get high or drunk is beyond me. If you feel better hurting your body that's your choice. I have seen too many people that went from drinking excessively to drugs and starting out with pot to more serious drugs. I cant even imagine dealing with people on a daily basis who are high....


            What I find most amusing is all the rationalizations in this thread on why pot should be legal. It will only give people more of a chance to go in a downward spiral.

            I'm sure you are aware of the facts but I will just reiterate...



            Effects on Daily Life
            Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover.
            Right, because we shouldn't expect people to take responsibility for their own actions.:roll:

            And i hope you don't think prohibition stops any of these people from consuming drugs.
            Last edited by SpoolnDaapex; 03-27-2010, 05:40 PM.
            M42: Because 110 feels like 140 :finger:

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            • 16v of E30
              Banned
              • Aug 2008
              • 157

              #591
              As someone who lives in BC, I have to say it should be legalized, taxed and distributed to anyone and everyone who wants it. There are far worse drugs out there, and your govt spends billions on the WAR ON DRUGS. If weed was legaized in BC, and taxed, it would TRIPPLE our province's leading industry (Forestry/Tourism) in revenue.

              There is no other strain of plant life on the face of the earth that is remotely similar in molecular structure or dna makeup. It is a one off for the the entire planet. interesting you say?

              google video "The Union - the business of getting high"


              this documentary is done very well and looks at the other side of the cannabis plant and its benefits, as opposed to the stoner view.

              if you want to learn something other than what your government brainwashes you with watch this video.

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              • Dozyproductions
                R3V Elite
                • Jan 2007
                • 4682

                #592
                Originally posted by ACMF74
                Again people don't exercise self-control ....they don't know when to say "I had enough".....

                People tend to overdue it when taking pleasure in something...

                I socially drink and may have a cigarette once in-awhile. I enjoy my drink/smoke MORE because I don't abuse it. If I could smoke a pack of Marlboro regulars a day I WOULD, but I don't because of the obvious reasons.

                People LOVE to blame everything else for there addiction except themselves. Don't blame the guy in the liquor store why you cant stop drinking. People tend to be there own worst enemy.
                Sorry mate but that is honestly a retarded argument. Yup, the sun can give some people cancer after long exposures, so are you going to make tanning illegal? You want salt illegal in NY? T.V can be watched for hours and seriously ruin someone's social life. Are you going to ban that as well?

                You aren't in any position to control people for their 'own good'. Everyone is different and there are definitely people who have more abusive personalities but stop trying to be some pat roberston kind of guy by tell them whats better for themselves.

                Such is life mother fucker..
                Last edited by Dozyproductions; 03-27-2010, 04:10 PM.

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                • ACMF74
                  E30 Fanatic
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 1245

                  #593
                  Originally posted by Dozyproductions
                  Sorry mate but that is honestly a retarded argument. Yup, the sun can give some people cancer after long exposures, so are you going to make tanning illegal? You want salt illegal in NY? T.V can be watched for hours and seriously ruin someone's social life. Are you going to ban that as well?

                  You aren't in any position to control people for their 'own good'. Everyone is different and there are definitely people who have more abusive personalities but stop trying to be some pat roberston kind of guy by tell them whats better for themselves.

                  Such is life mother fucker..
                  and your argument is MORE retarded. as soon as you resorted to name calling a personal attacks I knew I was dealing with a mental giant. I cant count how many people that I know have smoked pot and went to more serious drugs.


                  It's your life, lungs and over all health. SMOKE UP JOHNNY! Hope you have enough brain cells to run a register at Jack in Box.

                  btw read my sig. this pertains to this thread and YOU....have a nice day
                  Last edited by ACMF74; 03-28-2010, 07:43 AM.

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                  • SpoolnDaapex
                    Advanced Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 150

                    #594
                    You really believe if it wasn't for pot these people wouldn't try any other drugs? I'm sure they never consumed alcohol.

                    If you actually took time to understand the subject your talking about you would find that THC actually accelerates cell growth and works as an expectorant for your lungs. But we can all see that you haven't.

                    Dont touch a joint, because it will instantly turn you into a fuck up that will keep you at a minimum wage job! Your argument truely is retarded
                    M42: Because 110 feels like 140 :finger:

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                    • ACMF74
                      E30 Fanatic
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 1245

                      #595
                      again...it's your life

                      smoke up

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                      • ck_taft325is
                        R3V OG
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 6880

                        #596
                        Originally posted by ACMF74
                        btw read my sig. this pertains to this thread and YOU....have a nice day
                        What does your sig have to do with Marijuana?

                        You argue that you see too many of your friends that start with pot and move onto harder, more destructive drugs? That's not pots fault. That's the persons fault. I'd hazard that I could match, person for person, a hard working, honest, non-druggie pot smoker for everyone of your loser ass friends.

                        FYI, it's an old wives saying... birds of a feather flock together. Maybe you should re-think your friends. Their ignorant stupidity is rubbing off on you.

                        Let's bring up booze again. Booze have wrecked more lives and killed more people than pot has. Alcohol is one of the only substances on this earth that can kill you from withdrawls. Totally legal. I don't think it should be made illegal, either. Why? Because it's about personal choice and responsibility. It's not the cars fault when someone drives drunk into a minivan full of kids and tragically kills everyone. It's not even the alcohol. It's the dumbfuckingidiotasshatmotherfucker behind the wheel that CHOSE to drive, while intoxicated and put his and everyone elses life at stake. Stupid stakes.
                        Last edited by ck_taft325is; 03-28-2010, 11:24 AM.
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                        • pureaudio
                          E30 Enthusiast
                          • May 2009
                          • 1123

                          #597
                          Originally posted by 16v of E30
                          google video "The Union - the business of getting high"


                          this documentary is done very well and looks at the other side of the cannabis plant and its benefits, as opposed to the stoner view.

                          if you want to learn something other than what your government brainwashes you with watch this video.
                          Talking about all the benefits of using weed besides being high is like saying you read Playboy for the articles. I don't care if someone wants to smoke weed to their heart's content but only an idiot tries to say it is for any other reason than to get high nigga pie.
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                          • HarryPotter
                            No R3VLimiter
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 3642

                            #598
                            Wow, I thought that douche turboing the b25 in his e34 was the biggest fucktard on this website next to me, but ACM you take the cake. You're just like jflip. You and him should go on a sober vacation, and take in all the losers that crumble under your straight edge greatness.

                            God damn I can't stress enough how sick to the stomach people like you and jflip make me feel. YOU DON'T KNOW A FUCKING THING ABOUT IT!!! But you insist on continuing your argument based on ill informed opinions that your fucking straight edge father probably taught you. Go fuck yourself. I must be a retard and a pot head cause I used personal attacks, sorry I can't contain my rage because you are soooooooo ignorant.
                            Last edited by HarryPotter; 03-28-2010, 10:49 AM.


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                            • Nic01101011
                              E30 Mastermind
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1549

                              #599
                              Originally posted by pureaudio
                              Talking about all the benefits of using weed besides being high is like saying you read Playboy for the articles. I don't care if someone wants to smoke weed to their heart's content but only an idiot tries to say it is for any other reason than to get high nigga pie.
                              Guess I'm an idiot that hasn't had anxiety and insomnia problems in the past.:roll:
                              And my roommate was an idiot that didn't have chronic back pain.
                              Too many ignoramuses in this thread, I swear.

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                              • 87e30
                                R3V Elite
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 5676

                                #600
                                Originally posted by ACMF74
                                the day the GOVT legalizes pot this country will be deeper in the shitter....
                                So you are saying pot shouldn't be legal because...

                                Originally posted by ACMF74
                                Because like most people in the country they don't have self control. I can apply this to pot (any drug for that matter), alcohol and even food. People in this country use everything in excess. Why does someone need to continually need to get high or drunk is beyond me. If you feel better hurting your body that's your choice. I have seen too many people that went from drinking excessively to drugs and starting out with pot to more serious drugs. I cant even imagine dealing with people on a daily basis who are high....


                                What I find most amusing is all the rationalizations in this thread on why pot should be legal. It will only give people more of a chance to go in a downward spiral.

                                I'm sure you are aware of the facts but I will just reiterate...



                                Effects on Daily Life
                                Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover.
                                and again because...

                                Originally posted by ACMF74
                                Again people don't exercise self-control ....they don't know when to say "I had enough".....

                                People tend to overdue it when taking pleasure in something...

                                I socially drink and may have a cigarette once in-awhile. I enjoy my drink/smoke MORE because I don't abuse it. If I could smoke a pack of Marlboro regulars a day I WOULD, but I don't because of the obvious reasons.

                                People LOVE to blame everything else for there addiction except themselves. Don't blame the guy in the liquor store why you cant stop drinking. People tend to be there own worst enemy.
                                But I guess you DO have self control so you are the exception to the rule. Therefore things that you enjoy using should be legal, but things that others enjoy using should not be legal?

                                Please clarify your argument for me.
                                Originally posted by z31maniac
                                I just hate everyone.

                                No need for discretion.

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