The Damn Catholic Church...

[HarryPotter]

I'll wait till the LHC fires off to be more definite on certain issues. Again you are assuming I believe in something, I do not. I am highly skeptical of EVERYTHING. I do not hold one belief as my one and only. I just sway more towards scientific theories. I only dislike the christian faith for certain personal reasons, mainly due to my wacky aunt and uncle and the way they raise their children.

I am definitely not agnostic then. hahaha. I thirst for knowledge.

[ck_taft325is]

Agreed. That was the basis of my post a 3 pages ago. I was raised Catholic and (fortunately) went to a Catholic school that taught about other religions. Great school, really prepared me for future learning.

Anyway, though I am atheist/agnostic... I can see where people need to believe in an afterlife. And need an answer to "why am I here?"



I could not disagree with this more though. You can choose to be a productive member of society without believing in an afterlife. I do.

I never said you couldn't. Logically though, there's no reason to. Why waste my time at work? I have the brains to take what I want without paying. Why adhere to society telling me what is or is not right/wrong? That's just illogical if you commit fully to the fact that there's no purpose beyond this world. You can do a million things without any belief. Nothing limits you, that's the beauty of it. But logically, if you reason that view point through to its extent, why not do whatever you want when you want? Sure, you wont be a millionaire with a bunch of nice cars, but the liklihood of that happening anyways is slim.

[ck_taft325is]

I'll wait till the LHC fires off to be more definite on certain issues. Again you are assuming I believe in something, I do not. I am highly skeptical of EVERYTHING. I do not hold one belief as my one and only. I just sway more towards scientific theories. I only dislike the christian faith for certain personal reasons, mainly due to my wacky aunt and uncle and the way they raise their children.

The very act of not believing in something to the point that you defend your position is a belief in something. Hate to burst your bubble.

And your belief system obviously incorporates criticizing those around you that differ from your "non-faith belief system" and choosing to not educate yourself about anything that differs from what again, lines up with what you believe.

[HarryPotter]

The very act of not believing in something to the point that you defend your position is a belief in something. Hate to burst your bubble.

And your belief system obviously incorporates criticizing those around you that differ from your "non-faith belief system" and choosing to not educate yourself about anything that differs from what again, lines up with what you believe.

I could care less if you believe in christ. Go for it. I just don't like it. I guess that is a belief. But like I said I don't have a main belief. In the terms you put it anything is a belief then. I am saying I have no one certain belief on how earth or the universe was created. Is that better?

[Bill 84 318i]

Firstly, you don't buy into the fact that the earth was created in seven days, but science tells you the entire universe was created in an instant. (Big Bang)

No, it doesn't. And no scientist claims to know the conditions that existed before the big bang theory. http://angryastronomer.blogspot.com/...nceptions.html

Information, further reading...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism

and,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-Age_creationism

So, now we have two theories, (Theory is accepted methodology of "Science") that postulate that the earth was not made in seven 24 hour days, and that a day in this biblical context is not counted as a 24 hour period.

Please don't pretend to compare those two things to actual scientific theories - a scientific theory is much different than what people usually call a theory. A decent definition of a scientific theory is "As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena." E.g.: germ theory or the theory of gravity. Neither of your two wiki links come even close to that definition - please don't misuse a word just to try to lend yourself legitimacy.

So, there is a scientific explanation that refutes this silly 4k year old earth bullshit.

There was nothing scientific at all about that explanation. But no shit it's not 4k years old - thanks for clearing that up. As for why young earth creationists say it's a few thousand years old, what I see most are references to people studying the genealogy of the Bible and the math adding up to it (Genesis chapters 5 and 11?)

Next topic. Your issue with ladders. You know how the Germans used the Enigma machine in WWII to send "codes" to others that were selected to understand their meaning. People whom the Germans deemed not "worthy" to understand the messages were unable to decode these messages.

The bible, (noted in many places... Search "Parable + Bible" on Google) is written in the same fashion, it's divine message coded to those "with ears to hear" and "eyes to see". Shown here;



So, we can postulate (another science term used in explanation of the Bible) that there are just gonna be people out there that are not supposed to understand the meaning, My heart goes out to them, but they are just not made to "get" it. It's rather unfortunate, but it's the way it is. The fortunate thing is that they will get a second chance as stated in the bible.

Ditto the "using a science word thing" from above. You can call that science if you perform some sort of peer reviewed trial, but come on. That's just some argument from authority bullshit. Why would God only want certain people to understand the Bible? And the purpose of the comparison to the Germans is what? Wasn't the Enigma code just some encryption that we figured out eventually anyway?

[87e30]

They are fucking wackos that's what offends me. You don't even realize. I don't understand how you can find anything believable in that stupid book when it says the earth was created in 7 fucking days and it's only 4k years old. That's just fucking malarkey. It also says that ladders came from the sky creating the separate races or some shit like that, and that's just fucking lunatic like crazy bs.

You're ignorant, provincial, and angry.

[Stephen]

You're ignorant, provincial, and angry.

thesaurical

[HarryPotter]

You're ignorant, provincial, and angry.

ahahahha and you're a closet homosexual.

[87e30]

ahahahha and you're a closet homosexual.

Told you that you were ignorant, provincial and angry.

Can't understand that I might have a different way of living than you.


Anyways, Farbin, I hate to say it but I think that's a bit wishy washy. While I agree with your points, it's all down to interpretation. You can interpret the bible any way that you see fit, as evidenced by the spread of christianity and even islam.

But I do think there are some facts to the bible. For example, a stone outlaying the plagues in egypt was just discovered. Much of the geological and historical evidence aligns, just because we don't have all of it yet does not mean that it's not there. That said it doesn't convince me, because while this does date and support the scripture there is simply no way of proving the supernatural - which is the core of the the faith.

I agree with whatever the rolling shadow picture guy is saying, mostly.

[ck_taft325is]

That's a Subie ;)

[HarryPotter]

Told you that you were ignorant, provincial and angry.

Can't understand that I might have a different way of living than you.


Anyways, Farbin, I hate to say it but I think that's a bit wishy washy. While I agree with your points, it's all down to interpretation. You can interpret the bible any way that you see fit, as evidenced by the spread of christianity and even islam.

But I do think there are some facts to the bible. For example, a stone outlaying the plagues in egypt was just discovered. Much of the geological and historical evidence aligns, just because we don't have all of it yet does not mean that it's not there. That said it doesn't convince me, because while this does date and support the scripture there is simply no way of proving the supernatural - which is the core of the the faith.

I agree with whatever the rolling shadow picture guy is saying, mostly.

Can't take a joke I see? I don't give a shit if you don't like the pun. Personal choices. :giggle:

[87e30]

I never said you couldn't. Logically though, there's no reason to. Why waste my time at work? I have the brains to take what I want without paying. Why adhere to society telling me what is or is not right/wrong? That's just illogical if you commit fully to the fact that there's no purpose beyond this world. You can do a million things without any belief. Nothing limits you, that's the beauty of it. But logically, if you reason that view point through to its extent, why not do whatever you want when you want? Sure, you wont be a millionaire with a bunch of nice cars, but the liklihood of that happening anyways is slim.

Honestly dude? I understand where you're coming from, but this is a pretty weak argument. Go through life making choices that make you happy, therefore I will try to be a good citizen for my country, family, friends, and myself. If you need a reward after death to do good deeds, then you're not doing them for the right reason.

The bible says to "fear" god too. Again, it comes down to how you choose to interpret it. Some say it contradicts, others say it's a shift of perspectives. Some say you are saved through good deeds, others say you are saved through faith alone. Some say all go to heaven in the end, others say a "narrow path" leads to heaven.

So many different beliefs and perspectives, how can you confidently tell a whole other social group that your group is right and theirs is wrong? That's what troubles me.

WEll, that and the fact that Martin Luther invented Protestant branches of Christianity and that the Catholic church has a lot of BS in it.

[87e30]

That's a Subie ;)

Yes, yes it is. I hadn't looked at it for a while, but the hood gives it away.

[87e30]

Can't take a joke I see? I don't give a shit if you don't like the pun. Personal choices. :giggle:

Giggle away. Please return to your bubble where you hate your family members for believing different things than you do.

[ck_taft325is]

The giiiiiaaaaant hood scoop! Btw, Bill, I really want to see some pictures of that beastly (looking from what I can tell :rofl:) Subie sometime!