How bad is this oil spill

[Wiglaf]

please vote

[e30s52]

Where?

[Alkasquawlik]

the one underneath his car.

[ben312]

cool story bro?

[JasonC]

the one underneath his car.

this made me lol.

[Wiglaf]

jesus, 4 replies in the 5 minutes it took to bang out the poll. Shouldn't have taken that piss break. lol


also: car oil leak fixed! now water pump is dripping

[mrsleeve]

drop in the bucket compared to the natural leaching of oil in the worlds oceans annually.

Will it make a mess? Yup sure will.

Will it affect tourism and some local economies?? Yup sure will.

will it fuck up some birds and crabs and shit?? yup that too.

Will mother nature come back and thrive?? Yup WITH OUT A DOUBT in less than 3 years you will never even know a drop of oil was spilled in the gulf.

Lots of things to consider here, its a issue and no one denies that. The thing is accidents happen and thats just how it is. Was it preventable, who knows till all REAL facts come out. We should review the equipment and procedure and see what can be improved and or changed to make it so its less likely this will happen again. The thing is its just part of the game, there is so few accidents with these systems that when one happens its a big deal. Its was a unfortunate and unlikely string of events that lead to this and very unlikely to happen again

This accident is no reason to point and say see, we need to ban all off shore exploration and development of oil fields. Accidents happen on land too. It was an accident and we need to get it shut down, cleaned up to the best of our ability let mother nature finish the job and move on.

BP has some deep pockets, this will hurt them for a while. they can afford to get things cleaned up and get it all taken care of to the best of their ability. Because if they dont they will lose TONS of business, thank to all the hippies and our green govt boycotting them. Now if the fucking hippies and green commies would keep the fuck outta the courts trying to sue BP for this or for that, things would go SO much smoother for all involved

[Wiglaf]

The thing is its just part of the game, there is so few accidents with these systems that when one happens its a big deal. Its was a unfortunate and unlikely string of events that lead to this and very unlikely to happen again.

From what I've been reading, this is the exact opposite of the truth. It's like blast mining, there are close calls all the damn time. What they encounter is so unpredictable it's ridiculous, the high pressure of the depths they are dealing with just raises the stakes.
Yes they could have prepared better for this, but there's no avoiding gas pocket blowouts and such.


my main concern with this ordeal is economics with the fishing industry and all over there, the ripple effects might be far-reaching.

[mrsleeve]

From what I've been reading, this is the exact opposite of the truth. It's like blast mining, there are close calls all the damn time. What they encounter is so unpredictable it's ridiculous, the high pressure of the depths they are dealing with just raises the stakes.
Yes they could have prepared better for this, but there's no avoiding gas pocket blowouts and such.

I work with and know LOTS of oil/gas field guys. Its fucking dangerous work. yes bad shit happens, and there are close calls. I know a guy thats in PA running a rig right now that has one arm. He lost the other when a chunk of hydrate came up the well, when the were flushing, knocked off some valving and caught him in the shoulder and took his right arm off.

I am talking about BIG SPILL accidents they are fairly rare, yes the potential is there. You cant stop them all, and you cant plan for every contingency. But you do everything you can to limit the dangers to men, equipment, and environment 100% of the time.

[briansjacobs]

drop in the bucket compared to the natural leaching of oil in the worlds oceans annually.

umm , where did you get this bit of info?

Will it make a mess? Yup sure will.

Will it affect tourism and some local economies?? Yup sure will.

will it fuck up some birds and crabs and shit?? yup that too.

Will mother nature come back and thrive?? Yup WITH OUT A DOUBT in less than 3 years you will never even know a drop of oil was spilled in the gulf.

the Exxon Valdez ruined the Alaska coast and it took 10 years for many parts of the coast to recover. But yes in time it will recover naturally. Some reports are stating that the Valdez will be less than half the size of this spill


Accidents happen on land too.
yes they do, and when they do they are easier to contain. when an oil rig in Texas explodes it does not hit California, not the same for oceanic exploration

It was an accident and we need to get it shut down, cleaned up to the best of our ability let mother nature finish the job and move on.

NO, we need to be accountable for our actions. clean every last drop of oil and pay the people that are negatively impacted for our mistakes

BP has some deep pockets, this will hurt them for a while
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not as long as you may think
they can afford to get things cleaned up and get it all taken care of to the best of their ability. Because if they dont they will lose TONS of business,
People forget quickly, look at Exxon!

thank to all the hippies and our green govt boycotting them.
I did not hear of a govt boycott of BP, can you expand on this?

Now if the fucking hippies and green commies would keep the fuck outta the courts trying to sue BP for this or for that, things would go SO much smoother for all involved

Why are BP attornies part of the clean up or engineering corps? And by the way there is no court action at this point, do you just make shit up as you go along?

[BlueBMW]

I guess I'm surprised that gas prices haven't gone up because of this yet... I mean c'mon someone's gotta pay for the cleanup and I sure as hell know it wont be BP. They'll pass it on to the consumer as companies always do and the other oil companies will take the opportunity to create a false shortage to jack up oil prices to make some additional profit. I'm not sure how many billions in profits are enough for oil companies. They certainly aren't sparing any profits for additional safety measures and environmental stewardship. Its all about the almighty dollar and making as much money as is possible at any cost (human, environmental or otherwise) Its a matter of riding that knife edge to maximize profit. Not to just pick on oil, the coal industry is just as bad. Its always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. These companies push it as far as they can and when it screws up they say they're sorry and kiss it to make it all better.

Solar / Wind / Geothermal / HEP / Nuclear ---> H2 fuel cell / electric vehicles ---> no need for coal and oil.

My 1 cent (cuz the oil companies took my other penny)

[Bill 84 318i]

If you guys didn't catch it, I highly recommend last week's 60 Minutes episode:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490509n&tag=contentMain;contentAux

Edit: And I haven't done any background checking on this one, but here are oil spills through 2004: http://www.marinergroup.com/oil-spill-history.htm

[briansjacobs]

no real need for gas prices to go up at this point as remember we only have 2% of the worlds oil. Very little of what we drill actually gets used here.

I have no problem with corporate greed or profit margins at all. If you make $10B a year, you probably earned it, I dont care. However if you do something wrong, step up and fix it.

Solar/wind and other "green" technologies are great substitutes for oil, but not a replacement at this point. Some day, but not yet.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What fucking idiot liberal hippie bloger are you getting your info from. We have WAy more than 2% We have 4 finds in the last 20 years that rival that of the Saudis in 1952. We have more oil than much of the middle east combined.

look into these. The Bakken (eastern MT and western Dakotas) the Western Slope of the rockies of Colorado, ANWAR and the recent discovery in the gulf

The thing is the greenies and govt wont let us drill our own.



Oh I said IF THE HIPPIES WILL STAY OUTTA COURTS. just because they have not filed yet does not mean they wont. Attorneys are part of every sub group of nearly every large business operations.

I guess I'm surprised that gas prices haven't gone up because of this yet... I mean c'mon someone's gotta pay for the cleanup and I sure as hell know it wont be BP. They'll pass it on to the consumer as companies always do and the other oil companies will take the opportunity to create a false shortage to jack up oil prices to make some additional profit. I'm not sure how many billions in profits are enough for oil companies. They certainly aren't sparing any profits for additional safety measures and environmental stewardship. Its all about the almighty dollar and making as much money as is possible at any cost (human, environmental or otherwise) Its a matter of riding that knife edge to maximize profit. Not to just pick on oil, the coal industry is just as bad. Its always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. These companies push it as far as they can and when it screws up they say they're sorry and kiss it to make it all better.

Solar / Wind / Geothermal / HEP / Nuclear ---> H2 fuel cell / electric vehicles ---> no need for coal and oil.

My 1 cent (cuz the oil companies took my other penny)

it was an explortory well not a production well. was not relid upon for supply there for NO SHORTAGE. The feds on the other hand want to add to the gas tax to help pay for this clean up.

Ummm yeah its all the profit seeking evil oil companies. You have no clue what you are bitching about.


Wind = WAY to expensive to make power. They are only going up all over because of all OUR TAX dollars to subsidize their construction. Oh and its not windy all the time, = not enough power when you need it,

Solar = hugely inefficient, it takes 100's of acers to make enough power to run a medium sized city. Oh its not sunny all the time in most place in this country. and where is, the positions that are screaming for all this green energy are blocking the construction. because it may interfere with a mouse and turtle

Geo therm works good on the small scale or when you live on a volcanic island like Iceland . Where you have enough heat in the ground to make steam to spin the turbines.

Nuke = great BUT VERY VERY expensive to build, and are yes subsidized by our tax dollars. With out that subside the cost for the power would be INSANE.

H2 is way more volatile than gas, it likes to burn and explode much more readily. You really want H2 and O2 running around in traffic with all the idiots out there. That and the power it takes to split the bonds of water into H2, makes it more energy intensive than making petrol distillates.

Electric cars???? Well till the battery tech gets 1000 fold better then it is. We up rate the power grid to accommodate rapid charging its a pipe dream.

what are in 10th grade?????

[joshh]

....and we will pay every penny BP puts out.