Getting along with Liberal friends?

[wildstoats]

Holy shit somebody is refrencing the liberal history books. You do realize since the progressives took over education in the 70's (Department of Education) you can't get an accurate record of history in the classroom.

Is there such a beast as a subjective history book?

[E30Kaiser]

Is there such a beast as a subjective history book?

Is there such a beast as an objective history book? Look at history closely and you start to see quite quickly how skewed a lot of it is. Sorry if you were being sarcastic.

[wildstoats]

Is there such a beast as an objective history book? Look at history closely and you start to see quite quickly how skewed a lot of it is. Sorry if you were being sarcastic.

Bah, my bad, objective was the term I was after. Glad I could screw up my point. :p

[KenC]

Holy shit somebody is refrencing the liberal history books. You do realize since the progressives took over education in the 70's (Department of Education) you can't get an accurate record of history in the classroom.

The Jefferson quotes are direct from his letters. Quotes, not interpretations of intent.


Regarding the other portions, are you familiar with the authors of the books referenced? Just curious why you're dismissing them as liberal... which you seem to equate with deceptive and/or false.

[Aptyp]

it is the suffix that changes the word. as stated they both take root from the same place. you must admit that it is more correct than saying liberal come from liberty!

absolutely, so I'll repeat my statement... Liberals, the word that is originated from latin word "free" want more government? While all government run programs are "social"? Shouldn't the term follow along with it's description? Unless liberty and freedom are no longer synonyms, I really don't understand your difficulty with words here.

You don't seem to struggle referencing founding fathers, though... So let's get to all the quotations that are meant to protect "We, the people" from overbearing governments and policies. Quote their standing on taxes and social programs. :roll:

[Turf1600]

absolutely, so I'll repeat my statement... Liberals, the word that is originated from latin word "free" want more government? While all government run programs are "social"? Shouldn't the term follow along with it's description? Unless liberty and freedom are no longer synonyms, I really don't understand your difficulty with words here.

You don't seem to struggle referencing founding fathers, though... So let's get to all the quotations that are meant to protect "We, the people" from overbearing governments and policies. Quote their standing on taxes and social programs. :roll:

You make a valid point. Our government is not what our founding fathers dreamed of. This is why I'm a libertarian.

[briansjacobs]

absolutely, so I'll repeat my statement... Liberals, the word that is originated from latin word "free" want more government? While all government run programs are "social"? Shouldn't the term follow along with it's description? Unless liberty and freedom are no longer synonyms, I really don't understand your difficulty with words here.
Liberty and freedom are still synonymous, however liberal is more synonymous with generous


You don't seem to struggle referencing founding fathers, though... So let's get to all the quotations that are meant to protect "We, the people" from overbearing governments and policies. Quote their standing on taxes and social programs. :roll:

WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

the preamble to the constitution states why they established the constitution. So lets look closer
1. Establish justice, this means law enforcement and courts, that means taxes
2.common defence, this means a military, that means taxes
3.promote the general welfare, that means health and well being, that means taxes

I think you are getting my point. [/LIST]

[Aptyp]

Well there, ran all out of quotes? Or it's only fun cock-riding one way?

An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Melish, January 13, 1813

Leave you with that one and enjoy the rest. Pick your favorites:

http://www.marksquotes.com/Founding-Fathers/

[briansjacobs]

Well there, ran all out of quotes? Or it's only fun cock-riding one way?



Leave you with that one and enjoy the rest. Pick your favorites:
http://www.marksquotes.com/Founding-Fathers/

great link.

jefferson on immagration
Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular.

Thomas Jefferson, letter to Hugh White, May 2, 1801

Jefferson on national debt

But with respect to future debt; would it not be wise and just for that nation to declare in the constitution they are forming that neither the legislature, nor the nation itself can validly contract more debt, than they may pay within their own age, or within the term of 19 years.

Thomas Jefferson, September 6, 1789

Franklin on Socialism
All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.

Benjamin Franklin, letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783

[Aptyp]

I enjoy selective quoting as well... Should have quoted Hamilton he was a big defender of taxation.

But you have to choose between deists... Franklin or Jefferson?

[briansjacobs]

But you have to choose between deists... Franklin or Jefferson?

I do not choose any of them, I dance to the beat of my own drummer. But when people try to re-write history I tend to call them on it. I believe nothing, and am open to anything.

[joshh]

Once I find out a person is liberal I simply dislike them to that degree. That's just the way it is.

[briansjacobs]

Once I find out a person is liberal I simply dislike them to that degree. That's just the way it is.

then you are narrow minded and shutting yourself out to great opportunity. I embrace people of different mindsets, it centers me. I have friends that are deeply religous, pro-life, pro-choice, and all spectrums of thinking, we all get along although we do not agree on everything, but we all treat each other with respect. I would more likely dislike someone that disrespcted someone I disagree with than someone I just disagree with.

[Turf1600]

then you are narrow minded and shutting yourself out to great opportunity. I embrace people of different mindsets, it centers me. I have friends that are deeply religous, pro-life, pro-choice, and all spectrums of thinking, we all get along although we do not agree on everything, but we all treat each other with respect. I would more likely dislike someone that disrespcted someone I disagree with than someone I just disagree with.

x2. Diversity is key.

[joshh]

then you are narrow minded and shutting yourself out to great opportunity. I embrace people of different mindsets, it centers me. I have friends that are deeply religous, pro-life, pro-choice, and all spectrums of thinking, we all get along although we do not agree on everything, but we all treat each other with respect. I would more likely dislike someone that disrespcted someone I disagree with than someone I just disagree with.

But you're not centered....lol.

Friends have many things they agree on...that's what makes them friends. Having to hold your tongue knowing you're going to create an argument is pointless.

But the real issue is liberals are usually extreme and don't deserve my respect. Liberals are what has dragged this country to where it is...so you guys can eat shit.
I can't tell you how sad I am that I have no Commie friends....what a loss.