Getting along with Liberal friends?

[joshh]

ok so what specifically is Obama doing to drag the country down

The list is huge. Here are a few...
1. Spending this country into oblivion.
2. Sucking the unions cock.
3. Adding an unconstitutional Health Care bill THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN READ.
4. Apologizing for the US even existing.
5. Trying to control the media.
etc etc etc

No, not at all, I am saying I dont think you have accomplished anything in your life worthy of respect. Why should we respect you.

And I'm saying I don't give a flying fuck if you don't respect me. Get that yet? I'm not looking nor do I need your approval.

You are so wrong, The right of the country to take private property form us citizens for public use "eminent domain" is part of the US constitution written in 1791. I will agree with you on the smoking, however as a non smoker I am glad I dont have to deal with smoking in restaraunts

See Liberal as fuck....lol.

please expand
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Im conservative on spending issues and extremly liberal on personal issues.

It's very simple. Large government is a fundamentally liberal idea. Conservatism is small government and if you bring it all the way as far right as you can you get Anarchy. You don't get Fascism....lol.

And I'll say it again, that doesn't make any sense.

[briansjacobs]

The list is huge. Here are a few...
1. Spending this country into oblivion. agreed
2. Sucking the unions cock. agreed
3. Adding an unconstitutional Health Care bill THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN READ. they read it, not sure it is unconstitutional, will benefit most people in the country, will not benefit as I am self employed with no employees
4. Apologizing for the US even existing.thats a bit dramatic
5. Trying to control the media.Bush admin was the master of this
etc etc etc





And I'm saying I don't give a flying fuck if you don't respect me. Get that yet? I'm not looking nor do I need your approval.

never said I did or did not respect you, I think you will find that I treated you with more respect than you have treated me. You said liberals are not worth your respect, I simply asked a question.


See Liberal as fuck....lol.

because of the smoking or because I pointed out the constitution was written for eminent domain thus disproving your point the founding fathers would have been against it.

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[briansjacobs]

And I'll say it again, that doesn't make any sense.

I do not give a fuck about any political party, there are some things I agree with Republicans on, other things I agree with Democrats on. For the most part I feel they are all a bunch of pussies that can not be trusted. I vote for the lesser of two evils, not for who I like as there is no one that truly represents my views.

Sarah Palin can suck it (actually I would like to see that)

McCain is a big baby and showed his true colors when he said he will not cooperate with democrats. That is looking after his party, not after our country!

Obama is a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles

the rest are either religous freaks or just have other aggenda's that I could not care less about.

[E30Kaiser]

McCain is a big baby and showed his true colors when he said he will not cooperate with democrats. That is looking after his party, not after our country!

His track record shows that he does, and his lack of pork barrel requests is commendable. For that I respect him, as well as his service to the country. Say whatever else you want about him, but I think that much is respectable which is something hard to say about most other politicians.

[joshh]

Bush admin was the master of this

And that's an argument for what Obama is doing?

because of the smoking or because I pointed out the constitution was written for eminent domain thus disproving your point the founding fathers would have been against it.

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There you go being super liberal again.
All this shows is you are just another liberal who thinks the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be altered to fit your liberal stance.
Our founding fathers would be appalled at the idea Government could take someone's land. If you don't believe that it just shows your lack of knowledge in History.

[briansjacobs]

His track record shows that he does, and his lack of pork barrel requests is commendable. For that I respect him, as well as his service to the country. Say whatever else you want about him, but I think that much is respectable which is something hard to say about most other politicians.

the only problem there is the $10m in tax payer money he tried to steer to the University of Arizona for a center named after William Rehnquist and also in 2003 the 14.3 million he put in a defense budget to put a buffer zone around a base in Arizona, which is to use federal money to purchase land around the base. I do not think he received the money in either case, but the request still stands.

I do commend him for his service, and the service all our men and women have given for us to have the fredom to have this petty little debate.

My point is I think McCain was great and I really liked him before the presidential race started, So much so that I said I would vote for him, but I think somewhere he lost his way and is now just kind of sad.

[joshh]

There are no Conservatives in this Government anymore. They are are to the left....it just depends how far.

[Naplm00]

Once I find out a person is liberal I simply dislike them to that degree. That's just the way it is.

You are the biggest douche on r3v, congrats!

[briansjacobs]

And that's an argument for what Obama is doing?

Nope not at all, just an insight.

There you go being super liberal again.
All this shows is you are just another liberal who thinks the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be altered to fit your liberal stance.
Our founding fathers would be appalled at the idea Government could take someone's land. If you don't believe that it just shows your lack of knowledge in History.
nope, wrong again. The 5th amendment of the US Constitution ratified in 1791 gives the power of Eminent Domain. I do think 1791 qualifies as founding fathers doesnt it?

I personally am not a fan of eminent domain, But if you are going to call me out I will attempt to correct you. I am not always right, in this case I think it is fairly clear. Also notice I give you clear unbiased sources for you to follow up, you just give me a rant saying I know nothing. So either show me I am wrong, or kindly retract your statement

[joshh]

And that's an argument for what Obama is doing?

Nope not at all, just an insight.


nope, wrong again. The 5th amendment of the US Constitution ratified in 1791 gives the power of Eminent Domain. I do think 1791 qualifies as founding fathers doesnt it?

I personally am not a fan of eminent domain, But if you are going to call me out I will attempt to correct you. I am not always right, in this case I think it is fairly clear. Also notice I give you clear unbiased sources for you to follow up, you just give me a rant saying I know nothing. So either show me I am wrong, or kindly retract your statement

You haven't given a single source.


5th amendment...
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."



"Just compensation" to you and your liberal buddies is "move the fuck over here's your cash now STFU".
Define just compensation.

[briansjacobs]

from wikipedia

Eminent domain (ED) is an inherent attribute of sovereignty, and the Fifth Amendment's Taking or Just Compensation clause only imposes limitations on its exercise; i.e., the taking must be for public use and just compensation must be paid. Some historians have suggested that these limitations on the taking power were inspired by the need to permit the army to secure mounts, fodder and provisions from local ranchers and the perceived need to assure them compensation for such takings. Similarly, soldiers forcibly sought housing in whatever homes were near their military assignments. To address the latter problem, the 3rd Amendment was enacted in 1791 as part of the US Constitution's Bill of Rights. It provided that the quartering of soldiers on private property could not take place in peacetime without the landowner's consent. It also required that, in wartime, established law had to be followed in housing troops on private property. Presumably, this would mandate "just compensation", a requirement for the exercise of eminent domain in general per the 5th Amendment to the Constitution [2] In addition, all US states have legislation specifying ED procedures within their respective territories.[3]
The most common reason ED is exercised in the US is for building new or larger roadways, airports or government buildings, although during the second half of the 20th century, takings for urban redevelopment have become common.
After his victory in 1066, William the Conqueror seized virtually all land in England. Although he maintained absolute power over the land, he granted fiefs to landholders who served as stewards, paying fees and providing military services. During the Hundred Years War in the 14th century, Edward III used the Crown's right of purveyance for massive expropriations. Chapter 28 of the Magna Carta required that immediate cash payment be made for expropriations. As the king's power was broken down in the ensuing centuries, tenants were regarded as holding ownership rights rather than merely possessory rights over their land. In 1427, a statute was passed granting commissioners of sewers in Lincolnshire the power to take land without compensation. After the early 1500s, however, Parliamentary takings of land for roads, bridges, etc. generally did require compensation. The common practice was to pay 10 per cent more than the assessed value. However, as the voting franchise was expanded to include more non-landowners, the bonus was eliminated.
The practice of condemnation was transplanted into the American colonies. In the early years, unimproved land could be taken without compensation; this practice was accepted because land was so abundant that it could be cheaply replaced. When it came time to draft the United States Constitution, differing views on eminent domain were voiced. Thomas Jefferson favored eliminating all remnants of feudalism, and pushed for allodial ownership.[4] James Madison, who wrote the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, had a more moderate view, and struck a compromise that sought to at least protect property rights somewhat by explicitly mandating compensation and using the term "public use" rather than "public purpose," "public interest," or "public benefit."[5]

[briansjacobs]

"Just compensation" to you and your liberal buddies is "move the fuck over here's your cash now STFU".
Define just compensation.

I am not defending the constitution, I am just pointing out that it does exist. If you dont like it talk to James Maddison and Thomas Jefferson

[joshh]

Now tell me why people's property is being taken for city use to make money?

[joshh]

I am not defending the constitution, I am just pointing out that it does exist. If you dont like it talk to James Maddison and Thomas Jefferson

And I'm talking about the way it's being used.

[briansjacobs]

And I'm talking about the way it's being used.

your points are to vague, if you give me a specific case I may be able to give input. But to ask why land is being taken to make money for the city, I dont know. I know where I live there was a huge ED use where a very poor area was taken over and people sent to projects and the city developed the area. I was against it then, I stay away from that area and do not support it or the business that moved there. This is 20 years now, I still stay away unless a large number of friends want to meet there. However it is a huge improvement and great facelift for the city that expanded land values and thus improved tax rolls. It took crack town and made it into downtown!