Can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time?

[E30Kaiser]

this is all symantics. To say that the ethnic cleansing of millions is really just about land is weak. If the people on that land were of the same religion are you sure there would have been a need for war?

yes many things including race cause war, but thatis not what this debate is about

Well you tell me, you are the Pope and the countries under your influence are constantly at war, but over here in the Middle East you have this group of different people who just happen to have control of Jerusalem, convenient. They allow your people to come and go as pilgrims but that isn't good enough, you want that land for yourself, so call a Crusade and unite your people and consolidate your own power.

How many wars were fought between people of the same religion in Europe? 100 Years Wars, conquest of parts of Poland by the Teutonic Knights, Scotland vs England, Ireland vs England, etc.

Or to put it another way, if Muslims lived in the middle of nowhere and had no valuable resources would there be any reason to go to war with them? You don't see Christians calling for the death of the Dhali Lhama because he doesn't believe in Jesus. I am not saying NO wars have been fought for religious reasons, but more than not they use religion as an excuse.

[e30trooper]

this tread will never stop hua lol . Let put my two cents in. The bible is a book on how to tell ppl to live their lives from right to wrong thats basically it. I was raised on that shit and now haven't been to church in 12 years or so who knows. Religion was the biggest killer in human history. Ugh idk where to start or where not to . Its a way of life i guess or someone beliefs. Some ppl need a comfort zone to live life. So be it! i'll stopcuz ive been drinking an cant think haha.

[Turf1600]

As per the OP, I'd say who is to say how God chose to create things. I don't see how believing he used evolution or any other method is illogical as no one can really prove it empiracally either way. Both take a bit of faith and to claim having faith is only used by "idiots" or "stupid people" or "crazy" types is a bit arrogant all on it's own. Evolution doesn't disprove God, it simply gives rhyme to how things possibly happend. Not sure why there's so much ridiculous hostility in regards to Christians or God. You can't be truly angry with him if you don't believe in him. What's it too you?

Hostility? Angry? Arrogant?

These are loaded words you're throwing around. All I have done is ask questions. You're trying to make this about something it's not.

These seem like they'd be easy questions to answer, right?

Do pets go to heaven? Why or why not? Were we created or did we evolve? Can you evolve a soul? If we were created in god's image, why are we still evolving? Is he evolving? If so, for what purpose?

[F34R]

The Bible and Evo lifestyles cannot be lived togeather. For one there is Genesis 1:27-31

Then God said, ‘Let us make humankind* in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth,* and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’
27So God created humankind* in his image,
in the image of God he created them;*
male and female he created them.
28God blessed them, and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.’ 29God said, ‘See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.’ And it was so. 31God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

First off I am a Non-denominational Christian.

Why would God make us in his image first and then we have to evolve? the Bible and Evolution cannot be something that is believed by one person.

It is like a Christian believing that satan worship can be done togeather.

God gave man free will, Adam took it in his free will to eat of the tree and thus the fall of man. It is not in ANY way that God failed, he gave us free will.

The only type of evolution I have seen in man is incest. lol

[E30Kaiser]

The Bible cannot literally be believe by someone who believes in the Bible, because it contradicts itself. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 don't jive, and they are the first two chapters! Two separate creation stories for humanity. So wtf bro?

[briansjacobs]

The Bible and Evo lifestyles cannot be lived togeather. For one there is Genesis 1:27-31

Why would God make us in his image first and then we have to evolve? becasue Genesis is just a story, like the tooth fairy.

It is like a Christian believing that satan worship can be done togeather.
I agree

The only type of evolution I have seen in man is incest. lol

so you want to tell us about this incest you have seen?

genesis tells us that God created man in his image, science shows through anthropolgy that man has evolved from Homo erectus and homo neanderthalensis into the homo sapiens of today. You have not seen this because it has happened over millions of years.

[Farbin Kaiber]

The Bible and Evo lifestyles cannot be lived togeather. For one there is Genesis 1:27-31

Then God said, ‘Let us make humankind* in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth,* and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’
27So God created humankind* in his image,
in the image of God he created them;*
male and female he created them.
28God blessed them, and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.’ 29God said, ‘See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.’ And it was so. 31God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

First off I am a Non-denominational Christian.

Why would God make us in his image first and then we have to evolve? the Bible and Evolution cannot be something that is believed by one person.

It is like a Christian believing that satan worship can be done togeather.

God gave man free will, Adam took it in his free will to eat of the tree and thus the fall of man. It is not in ANY way that God failed, he gave us free will.

The only type of evolution I have seen in man is incest. lol

The Bible cannot literally be believe by someone who believes in the Bible, because it contradicts itself. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 don't jive, and they are the first two chapters! Two separate creation stories for humanity. So wtf bro?

Is it so off the wall to accept that there were more than one creation?

The "second" creation you speak of is the Adamic line, the first is then able to be accepted as those humanlike creatures without the "ruash" or the breath of life God used to put the soul into the human being.

This has been covered by many theologians, perfect point to show this is the existence of Lilith, whom God deemed not suited for his creation that housed a soul, so he cast her out and made Eve of Man.

Thus, both "jive".

[Aptyp]

Farbin is good... Something tells me, that could be on either side of this debate quoting exact same captions of Bible. :) Probably without much preference.


WWII was the deadliest war in history. More civilians died then, than EVER before in ANY other war. Numbers are around 70 million.

Religion is a tool, and this argument has to differentiate: God, Bible, and religions.

[E30Kaiser]

All the serious theologians I have read view it as proof of multiple authors of the Bible, not of the existence of Lilith.

[Massive Lee]

Why would God make us in his image first and then we have to evolve?

You got a strong point. Maybe God was a primate, and we evolved into what we are now. That's a good point buddy. God was a chimp.

[Farbin Kaiber]

All the serious theologians I have read view it as proof of multiple authors of the Bible, not of the existence of Lilith.

Being as the first 5 books of the bible are the Jewish Torah, and have not been changed, (If the scribes of the day made a mistake, there was no white out, they were required to use a new parchment or scroll and start all over from the begining) and are exact as they were at the time of their writing. ( A Jewish Law, in fact) So, I'd be hard pressed to see a layering of authors of those books, but go on and believe what you will.

[dvs909]

for all you people claiming that religion killed more people through history..
The manipulation of religion to serve the selfish needs of man is what causes so called religious wars or genocide.

it is the desire for power, not the religion that causes pain and suffering to untold numbers of people.

[E30Kaiser]

Being as the first 5 books of the bible are the Jewish Torah, and have not been changed, (If the scribes of the day made a mistake, there was no white out, they were required to use a new parchment or scroll and start all over from the begining) and are exact as they were at the time of their writing. ( A Jewish Law, in fact) So, I'd be hard pressed to see a layering of authors of those books, but go on and believe what you will.

I am just saying what I have learned from the numerous religion classes I have taken in college, and I don't see what scribes have to do with this at all, they don't make the stories themselves. There is plenty to support such a theory.

[Farbin Kaiber]

So you do not think there is factual support for Lilith in the bible? You think her existence is merely a few people writing the same story and making a goof?

Note in the Hebrew, in Isaiah she is spoken of by name.

[E30Kaiser]

Do I think there is factual support for the existence of Lilith in the way that people propose her? No, because I think she is a fictional character. But yes, I know Lilith is included in the Bible, and is a figure in Hebrew lore.