Can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time?

[fryerfighter94]

Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all follow the same god btw, just saying.

Islam praises Allah... Christianity and Judaism both believe same god just not Jesus' messiahship

[Farbin Kaiber]

I mentioned earlier that the Catholic church was wrong in the way that they administered the faith...

Then it is obvious they are not getting the correct info from the damn book.

[Matt-B]

Evidence of evolutionary effects exists regardless of anyone's belief in evolution.

exactly. when you die nothing happens

[KenC]

Islam praises Allah... Christianity and Judaism both believe same god just not Jesus' messiahship

Muslim's believe in the same "God." Allah is just what they call "Him." Just like Jews call "Him" Yaweh. Muslims even believe in Jesus... but refer to him as a prophet.

C'mon guys! We're all on the same team! ;)

[briansjacobs]

and of course Atheist think that all of them are wasting their time, I on the other hand am not sure if there is a god or not. Really dont care, but I can tell you more harm has come from the thought of god and in gods name than any other cause!

[Farbin Kaiber]

There was no "point" that humans got a soul.

PWNT...

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Looks like someone gave up reading after the first chapter, maybe enough stuff didn't explode, or the wasn't any gunfights, but if you intend to tell others what is written there, at least read it first.

[Naplm00]

So basically it's cool to cherry pick what makes you happy and comfortable? Also, someone said 90% of it isn't supposed to be taken literally - where is this 10%? And who said it was binding??

Yea its cool, its your life...live it the way you want to.

[ck_taft325is]

I'll throw myself as cannon fodder. In all honesty, this is one of the few places anyone should take any fact about Christianity or Evolution from. I would suggest many, many a Mark Driscoll online sermon (www.marshillchurch.org) if they were into maybe understanding a bit more. Also, C.S. Lewis, John Piper, Timothy Keller and the like.

Here we go...

... it's often said by people that accuse God of what people have done that the Bible is only full of rape, incest, blah blah. The fact is the Bible is not about those people. No one in the Bible is a good guy except one. And yeah, I know, it sounds strange but it really is only all about ONE guy. One dude. Jesus Christ. You can write this off, but I'm totally accepting any "criticizm" and mass hostility about the "Bible" (i.e. the men, women, etc in the "fables" of the Bible) as totally true. They were all incredibly fucked up. Not a single one did it right. The Pharisee's (religious types you see a lot on Sunday T.V. asking for your donations), the "Good" guys (Noah, etc...) who couldn't even do the basic things God told them too due to a lack of having a sack and/or any of the rest of the Bible "fables" people point to as a "discredit" of what the Bible has to say. This understanding of the Bible is incredibly limited, narrow minded and awesomely ironically religious in how it's often executed.

I don't have much time right now, a baby to put to sleep and some food to grab. That's all I've got at the moment.

As per the OP, I'd say who is to say how God chose to create things. I don't see how believing he used evolution or any other method is illogical as no one can really prove it empiracally either way. Both take a bit of faith and to claim having faith is only used by "idiots" or "stupid people" or "crazy" types is a bit arrogant all on it's own. Evolution doesn't disprove God, it simply gives rhyme to how things possibly happend. Not sure why there's so much ridiculous hostility in regards to Christians or God. You can't be truly angry with him if you don't believe in him. What's it too you?

[E30Kaiser]

Islam praises Allah... Christianity and Judaism both believe same god just not Jesus' messiahship

Someone else already touched on it but Islam does believe in the same god. They even refer to the Jews and Christians as "People of the Book" and gave them special status in society. All the religions that stem from Abraham believe in one god, the same god.

and of course Atheist think that all of them are wasting their time, I on the other hand am not sure if there is a god or not. Really dont care, but I can tell you more harm has come from the thought of god and in gods name than any other cause!

I would argue otherwise, more harm has come from the thought of government and in the name of government than any other cause, and you don't see many logical people calling for the end of that. Religion when it comes to doing harm is usually just a matter of politics and the institutions of religion, not actual faith.

[briansjacobs]

I would argue otherwise, more harm has come from the thought of government and in the name of government than any other cause, and you don't see many logical people calling for the end of that. Religion when it comes to doing harm is usually just a matter of politics and the institutions of religion, not actual faith.[/QUOTE]

hmm lets see, the crusades were fought over 200 years. I would venture to say more people were killed during the crusades then every war since.

Ethnic cleansing in Bosnia (ridding of Muslims)
Ethnic cleansing in the Sudan (Musslim/Christian)

While there are many other wars of territory the numbers killed in these territorial wars a small in comparison. The war in the Sudan has claimed over 2Million alone, Rwanda is also about 2million but unclear if that is a religous difference or just ethnic, the Holocaust was 11 million, Armenian christians in Turkey killed about 1.5 million

To be completly fair, I will say religion has done some good in this world. But to me the hurtfull things are far greater than the good.

And to answer another post, I am not angry with God, I do not believe in God, I am angry with the people that speak for God, and act "on behalf" of God.

[ck_taft325is]

The crusades where more a political move than a Religious one. Sorry. To lay blame at the foot of Christianity or Faith is to ignore the human motive of greed which powers almost every gnarly animal out there.

[ck_taft325is]

I would argue otherwise, more harm has come from the thought of government and in the name of government than any other cause, and you don't see many logical people calling for the end of that. Religion when it comes to doing harm is usually just a matter of politics and the institutions of religion, not actual faith.

hmm lets see, the crusades were fought over 200 years. I would venture to say more people were killed during the crusades then every war since.

Ethnic cleansing in Bosnia (ridding of Muslims)
Ethnic cleansing in the Sudan (Musslim/Christian)

While there are many other wars of territory the numbers killed in these territorial wars a small in comparison. The war in the Sudan has claimed over 2Million alone, Rwanda is also about 2million but unclear if that is a religous difference or just ethnic, the Holocaust was 11 million, Armenian christians in Turkey killed about 1.5 million

To be completly fair, I will say religion has done some good in this world. But to me the hurtfull things are far greater than the good.

And to answer another post, I am not angry with God, I do not believe in God, I am angry with the people that speak for God, and act "on behalf" of God.[/quote]


And what of those that act on behalf of no God yet cause more harm than any other? I'm sorry, but God has little to do with it. Let's say you eliminated "religion" and any "notion of God". Do you honestly believe with everything in yourself that this would solve the worlds problems? This is incredibly naive if you think so. These motives where not done in the name of "God" but in the name of "Self" under the guise and "justification" if you will, of "God". Nothing about "God" or the Bible says to do such things in 99% of the cases you can quote and I'd really be curious which you're going too or even have in mind.

[E30Kaiser]

hmm lets see, the crusades were fought over 200 years. I would venture to say more people were killed during the crusades then every war since.

Ethnic cleansing in Bosnia (ridding of Muslims)
Ethnic cleansing in the Sudan (Musslim/Christian)

While there are many other wars of territory the numbers killed in these territorial wars a small in comparison. The war in the Sudan has claimed over 2Million alone, Rwanda is also about 2million but unclear if that is a religous difference or just ethnic, the Holocaust was 11 million, Armenian christians in Turkey killed about 1.5 million

To be completly fair, I will say religion has done some good in this world. But to me the hurtfull things are far greater than the good.

And to answer another post, I am not angry with God, I do not believe in God, I am angry with the people that speak for God, and act "on behalf" of God.

But all of those wars aren't wars over ideology in itself, they are wars over territory, with the exception of the Holocaust(which isn't a war), but in the same way it is just a way to consolidate power by using a religion as a scapegoat. Not nearly as many people died in the Crusades as you would think. The Pope back in the medieval ages was just as much political leader of Europe as religious leader. People talk about how much harm religion has caused, but it has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with its use as a political tool. Anything from race to language is used as a political tool and causes war.

[briansjacobs]

And what of those that act on behalf of no God yet cause more harm than any other? I'm sorry, but God has little to do with it. Let's say you eliminated "religion" and any "notion of God". Do you honestly believe with everything in yourself that this would solve the worlds problems? This is incredibly naive if you think so. These motives where not done in the name of "God" but in the name of "Self" under the guise and "justification" if you will, of "God". Nothing about "God" or the Bible says to do such things in 99% of the cases you can quote and I'd really be curious which you're going too or even have in mind.

I will go one step further, if you rid the world of religion and color and everyone is now a grey race, there will be a fight between shades of grey.

I did state that religion does some good. I am sure the millions killed during the crusades will feel better knowing it was about god, but about self and just being justified by religion. I am also sure the pope that ordered one of the crusades would disagree.

[briansjacobs]

But all of those wars aren't wars over ideology, they are wars over territory, with the exception of the Holocaust(which isn't a war), but in the same way it is just a way to consolidate power by using a religion as a scapegoat. Not nearly as many people died in the Crusades as you would think. The Pope back in the medieval ages was just as much political leader of Europe as religious leader. People talk about how much harm religion has caused, but it has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with its use as a political tool. Anything from race to language is used as a political tool and causes war.

this is all symantics. To say that the ethnic cleansing of millions is really just about land is weak. If the people on that land were of the same religion are you sure there would have been a need for war?

yes many things including race cause war, but thatis not what this debate is about