Israel just doesn't get it...

[ck_taft325is]

Hostility comes from being called ignorant and having words put in my mouth, if you care to stop that, we can go on with a civil discussion.

To me it's not Faith that there is no God. It's scientific fact. He can't be proven to exist, so until EMPERICAL EVIDENCE constitutes the existence of God, he does not exist.

That is not having "faith" or "belief" in God not existing, that is knowing that God does not exist.

Not talking about Healthcare here sweetheart, talking about your lack of Federal Income tax liability, but we'll drop that. I just wanted to get that jab in on you.

Ha, understandable. I'm still starting out as everyone does at one point. I'll be the first to admit I'm not really where I "should" be, but then again, I think everyone has a different lot in life and making $80,000 + a year really isn't a huge drive for me. We live within our means and try to stay ahead of our bills. Beyond that, money in the bank is money that's not helping those in our (the wife and I) lives that are in need. As for putting words in your mouth, I apologize. I know I'll often stereo type, pigeon hole and make blanket statements when addressing multiple people at once in a single sentance. I'll make more of an effort to clean up what I say to who and when.

I would challange that he cannot be dis-proven imperically. And as Kaiser is pointing out, we're in the realm of philosophy, morality and the "why" of how things work. Science is key in life, but again, as Kaiser adequetly said, it is not the end all of all conversations/discussions. Logically I'd hope to find middle ground but Z, you seem to be putting more of a stop to that than I am. I can't appreciate your view point when the most that comes from it is disparaging remarks to peoples beliefs while not directly addressing yours. My previous comments were and are still, directed solely at Lee's remarkable bigotry and biase.

[z31maniac]

I know right, I love biologism, chemistrism, and the hardest of all physicism.

I was talking about "Relativism", "Skepticism", etc, the different viewpoints in Philosophy. I refer to them as "-isms" because they aren't proven, just thought experiements really.

Which does not compare to real, hard science. Not what I was trying to say at all. But I think you knew that.

[z31maniac]

I would challange that he cannot be dis-proven imperically. And as Kaiser is pointing out, we're in the realm of philosophy, morality and the "why" of how things work. Science is key in life, but again, as Kaiser adequetly said, it is not the end all of all conversations/discussions. Logically I'd hope to find middle ground but Z, you seem to be putting more of a stop to that than I am. I can't appreciate your view point when the most that comes from it is disparaging remarks to peoples beliefs while not directly addressing yours. My previous comments were and are still, directed solely at Lee's remarkable bigotry and biase.

Then let's search for a middle ground, I'm all for spirited debate. I'm a born skeptic. I think something else that people don't take into account is the general mindset of the average person in antiquity, not exactly as intelligent as we are today.

It's just for me, it's hard to believe, there are far too many questions that can't be answered for me to just pass it off.

Why were the early humans on Earth ignored? There was man on earth long before the Old/New Testaments, surely God knew of them?
Why were only those who inhabited the area of Palestine good enough for God's word?
Why not send "prophets" to other populated areas?
Why no "prophets" in the modern age?

[briansjacobs]

Then let's search for a middle ground, I'm all for spirited debate. I'm a born skeptic. I think something else that people don't take into account is the general mindset of the average person in antiquity, not exactly as intelligent as we are today.

It's just for me, it's hard to believe, there are far too many questions that can't be answered for me to just pass it off.

Why were the early humans on Earth ignored? There was man on earth long before the Old/New Testaments, surely God knew of them?
Why were only those who inhabited the area of Palestine good enough for God's word?
Why not send "prophets" to other populated areas?
Why no "prophets" in the modern age?

the editor cut those sections before going to print. Kind of like how starwars starts on episode 4.

[Aptyp]

I'm a born skeptic

Why were the early humans on Earth ignored? There was man on earth long before the Old/New Testaments, surely God knew of them?
Why were only those who inhabited the area of Palestine good enough for God's word?
Why not send "prophets" to other populated areas?
Why no "prophets" in the modern age?

Very nice. As a skeptic, you should question all known and unknown. You simply can't say that you're an atheist and a skeptic... Atheism is pretty set on the idea of "no god", which is also taken on faith (as I mentioned earlier, can't be proof of lack of god). Before you hang on the word "god", like a lot of "intellectuals" do, remember "rose by any other name, blah blah blah" the same blanket statements you'd use in other debates.

You reaching into bible is just as valid as you reaching into mythology, and every other early and current religion... All had deities, all had set laws and rituals, and if you're going to claim to be a rational person, understand that every culture had to have something that united them. Usually answer of origin and common laws are a good tool to unite masses. "Isms" explain that behavior...

[z31maniac]

We can know nothing, life is a farse, what is REALLY reality, etc etc. I get what you're saying, but let's try to stay a bit more realistic.

[E30Kaiser]

Why were the early humans on Earth ignored? There was man on earth long before the Old/New Testaments, surely God knew of them?

Why were only those who inhabited the area of Palestine good enough for God's word?

Why not send "prophets" to other populated areas?

Why no "prophets" in the modern age?

1)The old testament starts before humans were made, so I don't know what you are asking here.
2)The story of the old testament isn't the story of God or the world, it is the story of the Hebrews and their forefathers.
3)See 2
4)Because there can be no more prophets, read the Koran.

[kronus]

bwahahahaha

[Aptyp]

^haven't laughed that hard in a while. hahaha

[Massive Lee]

Honestly, despite my opposition with Israel's current behaviour, I can confess I am not comfortable at all with the picture posted above. Most peoples think that Israel's policy is endorsed by all Israelis and all jews across the globe, and that therefore all jews are in the same basket. Which is where it becomes a racist statement. There is a huge Jewish opposition in Israel and across the globe against Israel's brutal Apartheid and its antagonist behaviour. Also, all Jews are not made in the same mold. Russian Jews eat pork. Arab Jews (Sefarads) have a lot of problems with East European Jews (Ashkenaz) who see them as an inferior group. The guys with the curly hair and black hats, otherwise known as Hassidics, also don't share the exact same interpretation as the other Jews. They don't believe in the return to Israel for the Armageddon, as do Christians and other Jews. BTW Armageddon is the name of a small town in the Northern Israel (Northern Kingdom) where Jews were killed by Assyrians in 2800 AD. So nothing new.

So, in reference of the above picture, replace "Jews" by "Sionists" and it become true.

[E30Kaiser]

BTW Armageddon is the name of a small town in the Northern Israel (Northern Kingdom) where Jews were killed by Assyrians in 2800 AD.

I am pretty sure "Armageddon" is named for Mount Megiddo, at least that is what I learned in Hebrew Lit.

[omar85]

how is Israel protecting itself from people that want to give aid to Palestine. they don't have a proper source of food, proper medical help, and many other things. Some of you guys don't have to back up Israel just because your political party does. Wrong is wrong and a lot of the shit Israel does is horrific when it comes to how they treat Palestinians. We just won't hear of it because of out media sources.

[E30Kaiser]

how is Israel protecting itself from people that want to give aid to Palestine. they don't have a proper source of food, proper medical help, and many other things. Some of you guys don't have to back up Israel just because your political party does. Wrong is wrong and a lot of the shit Israel does is horrific when it comes to how they treat Palestinians. We just won't hear of it because of out media sources.

There is a difference between trying to get aid in, and running a blockade while assaulting and trying to kill Israeli soldiers. The "aid flotilla" were not looking to actually help the situation, they were looking for confrontation and to cause a crisis. I am not anti-aid for Palestine, I am anti-trying to kill soldiers for no reason.

[z31maniac]

how is Israel protecting itself from people that want to give aid to Palestine. they don't have a proper source of food, proper medical help, and many other things. Some of you guys don't have to back up Israel just because your political party does. Wrong is wrong and a lot of the shit Israel does is horrific when it comes to how they treat Palestinians. We just won't hear of it because of out media sources.

Yeah, because when countries like Iran (who support Terrorism) say they are going to break the blockade to deliver supplies, they would never include weapons/munitions in those shipments would they?

[omar85]

Yeah, because when countries like Iran (who support Terrorism) say they are going to break the blockade to deliver supplies, they would never include weapons/munitions in those shipments would they?

was there weapons and ammo from Iran on that boat? no, i think there was just Israeli soldiers murdering 9 people. continue to justify it in your head all you want but they were wrong.