So your point, Lee, is that Israel has no rightful claim to where they are right now? It was given to them as someone pointed out after WW2. Again, if I'm wrong on what you're getting at, please, clear it up for me a bit. I'm still not 100%.
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To piggy back on this idea, almost all of the countries in the Middle East were "Given" to the people in power there now by the British or French. Few people shit on Saudi Arabia for being controlled by a royal family propped up by a religious minority, so why all the hate on Israel?"We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time"-Colin McCrae
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Do you know who's idea it was to put the European Jews in Israel? Have you heard of a family called the Rotchilds.
Palestinian Muslims in reality dont have a problem with the Israelis who have lived with them in Palestine for 4000 yrs. They were never the problem, its the european jews who came and fucked everything up. Why dont they go and take revenge on the Germans. Fuck arent they the one who killed and put the jews in concentration camps. The Palestinian freakin gave them a place to live in peace until they started taking over all their land.
I am not an Arab and dont really care too much for them to be honest. But I do feel bad for what those Palestinians go through in their own land.Comment
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Yeah, I have heard of the Rothchilds but don't know much about them beyond their banking empire and the fact that they were Jewish. I wouldn't mind learning more if you have a link, or book, or something."We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time"-Colin McCrae
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just asking
they are all over the net. check youtube and google.
I am a moderate muslim from Afghanistan that was raised here in U.S and have friends from all race, religion and color. I respect, well muslims respect and believe in the 4 books. Although only 3 exist, the Torah, the Bible and the Koran. The only book that has never been altered is the Koran since the original one still exist, unlike the Torah or the Bible that has been altered as most will agree and has jewsih twist to it since it was written by jews. Right? Now what I dont get is this and still trying to fugure out, how many people/Christians agree or have read that jews killed Jesus???
If the jews killed Jesus then why are Christians so cool with Jews. I mean I wouldnt be so happy with them if they killed my savior!!! He was killed by Judah right??? Then they say the Romans killed him then why the fuck is there a religion called the Roman Catholics, I believe the Romans at one time wanted the Bible only in Latin. Right??> Then the Germans finally said fuk that and then they the Lutheran came out with their version. Right??? Then I guess the English said hey well why not us do the same and write it in English...
This is what I learned growing up as a muslim. I love and respect everyone from all races,religion and color. Adam,Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed are all great prophets of the Almighty god or Allah as we muslims call him. I respect the torah, the Bible and believe in the Koran. I believe in judgment day and that Jesus will be the savior for the believers. We are here for a test and we all have choices to do what we want to do. But at the same time we are given Laws, which are carried out in the books that were given to the prophets by the almighty. The books were to teach the people good and bad. If you know the difference then you must pay for your wrong. So basically this is just some example of how most muslims are taught and raised.
One more thing I dont get, why is that Jews always had a problem wherever they lived or went. I mean call me stupid but fuk everywhere they went there was a problem. Can anyone explain that to me, I really want to know.Comment
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For the first part I agree with what you say, I am Christian, but I incorporate a lot of Jewish and Muslim beliefs and ethics into my faith, and I agree that the Koran is the only non-altered book.
As for hating the Jews because they killed Christ, I think that is pretty simple, it isn't very moral to hate all Jews because of the death of Christ, hell some would even thank them for it as Jesus had to die in order to fulfill his lot in life as the suffering Messiah. Even the guy that stabbed Jesus with a spear, Longinus, is revered as a Saint by the Catholics.
Finally, I don't know why the Jews get shitted on everywhere they go, seems like being God's chosen people isn't really working out that well for them. Maybe they are getting theirs for turning their back on God so many times, but regardless they always seem to pull through, which is more than you can say for a lot of other groups of people that went through genocide, slavery, etc for 3000 years, so maybe God is on their side, who knows.Last edited by E30Kaiser; 06-08-2010, 09:38 PM."We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time"-Colin McCrae
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[QUOTE=E30Kaiser;2039489]For the first part I agree with what you say, I am Christian, but I incorporate a lot of Jewish and Muslim beliefs and ethics into my faith, and I agree that the Koran is the only non-altered book.
Finally, I don't know why the Jews get shitted on everywhere they go, seems like being God's chosen people isn't really working out that well for them. Maybe they are getting theirs for turning their back on God so many times,
I like what you wrote here.
Try to find this book called the gospel of Barnabus. Its a great book and written by one of the 13 deciples of Jesus.Comment
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(From the "Shit hits the fan in Fort Hood, Texas. 50 casualties." thread)
dvs909, you're a fucking idiot.
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What the fuck does it matter? Oil is running out and a solar flare is going to hit the planet frying all electronic equipment. Society is going to collapse. It doesn't fucking matter.Comment
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or i can admit i was wrong, and that i learned that i dont know as much as i thought since then.(From the "Shit hits the fan in Fort Hood, Texas. 50 casualties." thread)
dvs909, you're a fucking idiot.
also go fuck yourself.
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You're referring to the sixth pillar of Islam which is a later addition to the five basic tenets, far from a mainstream view, and actively discouraged. It's pretty much what fundie evangelism is to Christianity.Comment
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no thats not correct. When I meet a non muslim I treat him same as I treat my muslim brothers and sisters. It is my duty as a muslim to preach my religion to non muslims so they can understand what Islam is really about. Not what the media tells them. MOST OF MY FRIENDS ARE NON MUSLIMS. I say 90% is non muslim.
If I was to date or marry a non muslim then its my duty to teach that person about Islam but cannot force them to convert. A person must love,respect and accept the religion in their hearts. It should never be forced upon anyone to convert to Islam. But at the same time it is my duty as father to raise my children as muslims. When the child is old enough and he/she doesnt think Islam is right for them then that his/her choice. As a father I did my duty....Comment
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First of all, saying Koran hasn't been altered from original text is like saying great writers don't edit research into their books.
Mohamed was well versed in Torah and Bible before "speaking" with god and writing Koran. He was a merchant by trade and crossed into "holly lands" in great frequency. So he remixed his theological views and came with vengeance to convert others. Following up his life's work, Islam went on a conquest through Africa all the way into Spain.
Islam catches a lot of grief based on the fact that their entire religion's existence is well historically documented. For a religion of peace, Islam is like a recovering alcoholic falling off a bandwagon every so often.
So please, do not defend Islam as it's holy. It's full of problems and shit behavior just like Judaism and Christianity. How could it be better? It adopted hierarchy and ideology and we all know sequels and remixes are almost never better than originals.
Back to palestinians though... No one is stopping aid from reaching them. Israel just wants to make sure that weapons and guns don't reach them. It's not hard to understand. When someone launches 20 rockets per day, you kind of want to limit that.
Yes, palestinians are struggling now. No human deserves what is happening in Gaza prison. BUT PALESTINE ELECTED IT'S OWN WARDEN. How can a region seeking peace and resolve when they elect Hamas? It doesn't make sense to elect a group that uses guns to uphold it's control over already impoverished population. If Gaza was to revolt against Hamas for it's liberty, I promise that Israel and USA would stand side by side with palestinians in peace efforts. It saddens me that so many have to pay the price, but that's what gaza chose on their own to distaste of almost every country around them (Saudi, Egypt, Israel).Comment
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Aptyp,
i dont know where you get you facts from about the Koran and Prophet Muhammed Pbuh. there is a difference between the Koran and the Hadith, hadith is a book based on the prophets preachings and ways of life. The Koran was brought by the Angels and given to the prophet. The original Koran still exist and remains at Mecca where the muslims go for hajj. Its actually the rock of Abraham to be exact.
Show me where it says in the Koran to kill and force. I am sure it says to defend yourself,religion and your land. What you read in history class and what we read in the Koran is different I am sure of that. The story of the prophet in history class and the hadith is much different. Also there was an article as the greatest man ever lived or the most respected. I believe it was him, he accomplished and still accomplishing so much that no one ever has or will. Islam is the youngest religion but the fastest growing.
I am sure we have some similarities about Jesus and his preaching. But I am sure that Islam teaches us a lil more precise since he was one of the great prophets oh the almighty Allah=god and the Koran was never altered. He is also our savior/messiah. His real name is Isa (pbuh) just for the record. We believe that he is still alive and will come down to defeat the anti christ/dajaal.
We also believe that moses was the only prophet that ever came close to talking to god, although Muhammed came very close as well. But ya Moses was the only prophet that was the most closest to god. Thats why his people were the chosen ones, he did that not to upset Moses. But Moses's people turned their backs on god. God then said that they will have everything but a state. I guess thats hasnt changed and I dont think it will, just saying that from what I have read and seen in history of the Jews trying to establish a state.
I say split the land in half and live like cousins again. Whats so hard about that. Right???Comment
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