Israel just doesn't get it...

[Dozyproductions]

lulz at a hitler reference.

[jrhaile]

still dont understand what Israel did wrong here.

Nothing. You have a bunch of anti-Israel schmucks trying to condemn Israel and blame them for all the problems in this world. It's like the media, when it comes to Israel, is reading straight from Mein Kampf. Pretty sickening actually.

[dvs909]

still dont understand what Israel did wrong here.

[jrhaile]

Honestly, I wouldn't bomb a place I plan to occupy either. That's just a bad military tactic.

They didn't need to but you can bet your ass they would have if needed.

[Aptyp]

What do you think Israel has ben doing with Gaza? Open the TV. It's all there in the news. At least, the Germans didn't bomb Warsaw as hard as the Israelis did on Gaza...

Honestly, I wouldn't bomb a place I plan to occupy either. That's just a bad military tactic.

[ACMF74]

Very good debate from both sides, but I think this will never end until one unfortunately is completely taken out.

[jrhaile]

Please answer the question. How was the land taken? When? By whom?

Lee, you're useless. If you want to make a point, then make a point and don't ask for a history lesson.

[jrhaile]

ahahaha, you're too predictable.



and I'm a Persian-Armenian/Mixed American, Mainly agnostic, from San Mateo. I feel that I too am justified in what I say, and everyone is to their own opinion. Having Lived within the Persian culture, it's plainly sad that some of you guys would support bombing Iran. Bombing a country is a terrible thing in general, killing innocent civilians and such. However, it can be justified in some cases. I, and many others, just do not find it justifiyable in the case of Iran. There is just too much there to be wiped out, and if Israel knows what's best for itself, they won't dare to mess with Iran. It would most-certainly escalate into something, much, much larger.

I'm not suggesting that bombing Iran is the answer. I'm suggesting that Israel CANNOT let Iran get a Nuclear Weapon with that nutjob at the helm and no support from the US. Israel will very likely will be forced to do something about it. It's like a poker game when someone is forcing your hand by raising just a little bit here and there. Eventually you have to go all in.

What is truly sad is the missed opportunity in 2009 to overthrow the regime in Iran. Not only did the US not do anything to help those protesting, but neither did the rest of the world. It could have been a major turning point for peace in that area as Syria would have no one else to back them. Organization's like Hamas and Hezbollah (sp) would have stopped receiving funding and arms and eventually been squashed much like Al-Quada has. They would have been turned into a small parasite.

Iranian's as a whole are good people as are much of the Muslim world. The problem is, the good people won't do anything about the bad people thus making them as much at fault as the evil ones.

[Dozyproductions]

What do you think Israel has ben doing with Gaza? Open the TV. It's all there in the news. At least, the Germans didn't bomb Warsaw as hard as the Israelis did on Gaza...

ha. Over 90% of that city was systematically raised to the ground.

[Massive Lee]

That's your only retort?

Please answer the question. How was the land taken? When? By whom?

[Aptyp]

Well he personally probably doesn't know jack shit, but the Canadian's served in WW2 with great honor. You can't take that away from them and their veterans.

It was just a jab at Lee, never means anything, just like most of the stuff he writes in political forums.

[freeride53]

Leave it to someone from California to not get it

ahahaha, you're too predictable.

I'm actually a Russian Jew from Moscow ;)

and I'm a Persian-Armenian/Mixed American, Mainly agnostic, from San Mateo. I feel that I too am justified in what I say, and everyone is to their own opinion. Having Lived within the Persian culture, it's plainly sad that some of you guys would support bombing Iran. Bombing a country is a terrible thing in general, killing innocent civilians and such. However, it can be justified in some cases. I, and many others, just do not find it justifiyable in the case of Iran. There is just too much there to be wiped out, and if Israel knows what's best for itself, they won't dare to mess with Iran. It would most-certainly escalate into something, much, much larger.

[jrhaile]

First of, this thread had little to do with Iranian or muslim persecution. So as far as I'm concerned, you're playing a race card. No one is trying to differentiate Persians and Arabs and all other division Islam has created for itself in order to fight their own wars. Having said that, as far as this thread is concerned, fuck Iran (country, not people) for supporting terrorist organizations.

On the second note of Israel killing Palestinians: YES. If it's not Egypt, it's Gaza. If it's not Gaza, it's Lebanon. If not Lebanon, it's Syria. If not Syria, some crazy-ass regime takes over somewhere to start rocketing the shit out of Israel. Thank god for Mediterranean, otherwise shit be flying in from every side.

When Gaza was launching rockets, Israel pushed them 10 miles out. Gaza's response? Get longer range rockets. So Israel moved them again... and again... and again. At some point someone has to say, let's not launch rockets, right? Israel has been dropping flyers for years asking palestinian citizens to help fight against terrorism. Well, how are people, who want peace, supposed to work with Israel with Hamas at helm?

US helps Israel a lot, and so they should. Along with Israel's tactical geographical location, US also works with their intelligence agencies. After that we can't forget all of the weapon trades. Israel is one ally that truly matters in UN. Israel is one country that no matter what happens, trades in US dollars with Turkey and other Euro nations.

Also, before blaming Israel for Muslims hating Amercia, let's not forget CIA "Blowback" named AL-Qaeda. Also, let's not forget "Muslim Brotherhood" that originated in Egyptian prisons when US was present there, and founded by an exchange student to US, who thought Americans were sinners and didn't follow Quran (no shit) and this was before Israel. As always, Holmes is the one in the dark, talking shit.




He's Canadian... what the fuck would he know about fighting for freedom, liberation, independence and victories, eh?

Well he personally probably doesn't know jack shit, but the Canadian's served in WW2 with great honor. You can't take that away from them and their veterans.

[jrhaile]

What do you think Israel has ben doing with Gaza? Open the TV. It's all there in the news. At least, the Germans didn't bomb Warsaw as hard as the Israelis did on Gaza...

Oh please dude.. they're bombing the Gaza strip because there is constantly rockets and other ammunition being fired into Israel on a daily basis from those in the Gaza strip. What are they supposed to do? Wave their fingers at them?

[Aptyp]

Alright, I have two final papers due tomorrow, as well as a seminar I need to attend after school, so I'm gonna drop a few lines before I'm out.
My main point:
-Israel is a pathetic excuse for a country, their entire 'country' is built on crimes against humanity-against the Palestinian People. They treat them like fucking shit. It's heart-wrenching to see families torn apart, little children killed, separated from the mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters. Now, I don't support suicide bombing, or killed Israeli civilians who mind their own business. I am not anti-Semitic, a lot of my best friends are Jewish. I have Jewish family and relatives. I was born in America. I love my country. I also support the Iranian people, whom I share my blood with. I believe that they are some of the sadly, most misunderstood people in the world. They are no different than us, and the average Iranian is much more intellectual than the average..cough cough...Southern Redneck. Now, before I start another thread war, I have nothing against the people of the South, except for the one's who are too mentally incapable of properly judging people on the other side of the world, and are too ignorant to differentiate between Arabs and Iranians. I am seeing a lot of anti-Islamic hate in this thread as well, to those who I may call on, I pity you for missing out on so much, due to your conceited ignorance.

Now, a simple question to you, regarding a situation, far too common amongst the Palestinian people, especially from a young child's point of view. How would you feel if some "soldiers" with guns bust into your house, put your parents at gun point, force you out of your house, and/or kill you? Now wouldn't you swear it your life's mission to seek revenge on a group of people who have destroyed your life, and everything you loved?

First of, this thread had little to do with Iranian or muslim persecution. So as far as I'm concerned, you're playing a race card. No one is trying to differentiate Persians and Arabs and all other division Islam has created for itself in order to fight their own wars. Having said that, as far as this thread is concerned, fuck Iran (country, not people) for supporting terrorist organizations.

On the second note of Israel killing Palestinians: YES. If it's not Egypt, it's Gaza. If it's not Gaza, it's Lebanon. If not Lebanon, it's Syria. If not Syria, some crazy-ass regime takes over somewhere to start rocketing the shit out of Israel. Thank god for Mediterranean, otherwise shit be flying in from every side.

When Gaza was launching rockets, Israel pushed them 10 miles out. Gaza's response? Get longer range rockets. So Israel moved them again... and again... and again. At some point someone has to say, let's not launch rockets, right? Israel has been dropping flyers for years asking palestinian citizens to help fight against terrorism. Well, how are people, who want peace, supposed to work with Israel with Hamas at helm?

US helps Israel a lot, and so they should. Along with Israel's tactical geographical location, US also works with their intelligence agencies. After that we can't forget all of the weapon trades. Israel is one ally that truly matters in UN. Israel is one country that no matter what happens, trades in US dollars with Turkey and other Euro nations.

Also, before blaming Israel for Muslims hating Amercia, let's not forget CIA "Blowback" named AL-Qaeda. Also, let's not forget "Muslim Brotherhood" that originated in Egyptian prisons when US was present there, and founded by an exchange student to US, who thought Americans were sinners and didn't follow Quran (no shit) and this was before Israel. As always, Holmes is the one in the dark, talking shit.

Excuse? Are you fucking kidding? From the beginning of time the Jews have been persecuted 1000000000000x worse than any other race or religion in existence. Your comments are just flat out inflammatory and racist. You waffleswaffleswaffleswaffless in this thread call me a racist but then this guy has the nerve to even hint at the fact that Jews are just making it up and using what has happened to them as people as an "excuse?" It blows my mind that people in this day and age even think like this. You poke a cage animal enough and eventually IT WILL FIGHT BACK.

He's Canadian... what the fuck would he know about fighting for freedom, liberation, independence and victories, eh?