Israel just doesn't get it...

[Farbin Kaiber]

Farbin you are so literal you probably think the sea was actually parted, and Noah put all the little animals on a big fucking boat, That is the story in the bible right "Noah's big fucking boat"

I never did say I took that literally, but, can YOU prove it DIDN'T happen? What if the "Big Fucking Boat" was a spaceship sent from human civilization's future? We really don't know, and if you are that hung up on that part of the story, instead of the meaning of the story, you are really a lot worse off than I thought. Maybe you should get down to Walgreens, they have medicine for everything I hear.

[ck_taft325is]

But some etheral being up in the clouds pulling strings and picking sides is the epitome of intelligence.

Who claimed he was picking sides? I'll treat you the same way I treat most hostile anti-faith/Christian's. Did I say that? I didn't say that.

I, in contrast to yourself, don't blame God for everything while claiming I don't believe in him. I'll be the first to admit I don't know how things work or what is and is not truly the after life. Any Christian, any real Christian knows they don't have the answers. Knows and questions their faith in God. Faith without question is not faith, it is blind devotion to the ignorantly unseen. You say, there's not cold hard facts to support God. Yet you discount anyone's personal experiences or life experience as "crazy" more often than not. What life experience do you have that discounts God?

Listen, I'm not trying to push any of my beliefs on anyone here as it seems the anti-Christian's are pushing their agenda. So, take a tip from that "crazy mumbo jumbo book", the Bible, and take the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck of dust in someone elses.

[ck_taft325is]

Brian, I appreciate your over all good attitude and civility in regards to Faith and Christian's in general. Let me ask you a question though...

... you say you don't have any problems with Christians in general but, you believe their Faith (i.e. belief system of morality and God) should be left out of social spheres such as Politics and Schools? Does this include all Faith based or belief based "assumptions" (if you will) in regards to morality and/or God or a lack thereof? I would hazard to point out that being Athiest (a belief system) and feeling God/Religion/Christianity should be striken from Politics and Schools, one could not claim so without exchanging one belief system (in God) for another (no God). And that by claiming such, you are stating that Athiesm (a lack of God) should be in place of teaching of God? I'm mostly bouncing ideas here.

While you view Religion as a crutch for society, albeit a relevant one by what you've said, do you not see the "crutch" you also have in holding such an arrogant stand point?


*EDIT*

And let me point out, I don't think that God should be taught in schools per se. Just coming from an anti-religion religion and stating that all religion should be left out of Politics and Schools is a bit of a grey area.

[dvs909]

Muslims are always the ones getting attacked so when they defend themselves, they are called terrorist. lmao... But now the Jews do all this evil shit and its no biggy, cause everyone is so scared to stand up against them. They rule USA and a lot of Europe, so thats why its ok for them to do all this crazy shit.. I have studies all 3 books Torah, Bible and the Koran. They are very similar except the Koran has never been altered like the other 2 books. Majority of the Muslims follow the book but a minority of the other religion follow their book. 1 silly example thy shall not eat swine... fuck me but havent met one Christians that obeys that and very small percentage of jews follow that. How about staying a virgin till u get married. I have been here for all my life and after the age 18 I have only met 2 virgin females. Wonder why aids is so big in US and other non muslim countries.

So basically I am just frustrated with negative comments here about Islam all the time. I dont blame you guys since most of you are brainwashed by the media (jewish owned). Muslim ppl dont hate us americans they just hate the fukn policies...

I mean we went to war with countries for no reason, we are killing innocent civilians in AFG and Iraq. So why are we there does anyone really know. Israel is a big part of it just so most of know. Thats why we are hated by most muslim countries... I mean the Isralies contradict themselves all the time, they are on Irans ass for nukes but they deny having them. which the whole world knows they have them. I am not Iranian but fuck I would be like fuck you homie if you got it then I am gonna have it too. Pakistan has it, India has it, we have it and few others as well.

This is all about the temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, the Ashkenazi jews think they should build it back for the return of their messiah. Which we believe its the Anti Christ. Our messiah is Prophet Jesus and we wait for him to defeat the Anti Christ/Dajaal.

what the fuck are you smoking?

[87e30]

Non religious people start wars too. But those don't count?

[z31maniac]

Oh, you're Athiest? That's a worldview so steeped in ignorance and blind faith that nothing and no religion is right it's a religion all unto itself.

But some etheral being up in the clouds pulling strings and picking sides is the epitome of intelligence.

[E30Kaiser]

At least he didn't claim to be Agnostic. That one gets me. It's being the "anti-" of knowledge.

Gotta love a belief that is against knowledge, I'm surprised that movement didn't end up like the Quakers.

Reminds me of Skepticism, the best philosophical school, "I can never know anything for sure..."

[kronus]

16 pages...jeez. Don't have to read any of it to know that a bunch of guys without enough knowledge are arguing again.

It's like this thread was made especially for you!

[reelop19]

16 pages...jeez. Don't have to read any of it to know that a bunch of guys without enough knowledge are arguing again.

[briansjacobs]

From Wiki
the word comes from Thomas Henry Huxley in a speech at a meeting of the Metaphysical Society in 1876 to describe his philosophy which rejects all claims of spiritual or mystical knowledge,Huxley identified agnosticism not as a creed but rather as a method of skeptical, evidence-based inquiry.

Farbin you are so literal you probably think the sea was actually parted, and Noah put all the little animals on a big fucking boat, That is the story in the bible right "Noah's big fucking boat"

[briansjacobs]

my big problem with Christian thought is to get to heaven you need to go through christ, That is not the bad part, the bad part is if you accept Christ and repent your sins you are free to enter heaven regardless of your sins on earth. So with that said, Hitler, Bundy, Stalin, they go to heaven, The Dali Lama is going to hell!

Me, I am a Jewish atheist that married a catholic, I am trying to get to heaven thru osmossis.

[Farbin Kaiber]

lol que

At least he didn't claim to be Agnostic. That one gets me. It's being the "anti-" of knowledge.

Gotta love a belief that is against knowledge, I'm surprised that movement didn't end up like the Quakers.

[Farbin Kaiber]

You guys don't have much knowledge about what your Christian religion did. Remember the atrocities during the Crusades, the Great Inquisition, and all genocides in the name of God? North America, South America, Africa. Remember Serbia too?
Rationalizations of barbarian acts based on the Bible (Christians vs Muslims vs Jews, in all possible combinations). Internal fights between factions of the Christian churches having lead to bloody wars. The quest for power of all religious groups. Disgusting.

As I said. You don't need a book to tell you how to lead a good life.

It does not tell you how to live a good life. Someone has been reading you the wrong book. It's only purpose is to give a look at how God works (Good, bad, or otherwise) and what he expects of you. By doing what he asks for, (not what Mans says he asks for) he will make you justified and righteous.

Justified meaning "Just like Christ" (The Redeemer) in God's eyes, and made righteous, or viewed as following the rules.

It used to be that to do those two above things you had to follow the Levitical code, then after his son opened the doors, and paid the price, following God simply with Faith (An action, based on belief, sustained by the confidence that he will do what he has said) and you are good to go.

Free to cuss, drink, have premarital sex, and make fun of Lee without fear or retribution from God, because, he does not care about those things.

And there is no one with power over me and my relationship, I do, however feel bad for those mindless sheep who follow what a preacher says without looking ever for themself. They prolly deserve their end results.

[briansjacobs]

So, a bad man/men do something evil in the name of Christian's and I or anyone else that is a Christian is to blame? You're obviously not getting it are you. Say someone goes around selling "Massive BBK's" in the U.S. via Craigslist. In actuality, they are faulty, bad quality, Chinese pieces that someone has slammed together. They fail. A woman and child are killed because of this evil man's negligence and greed. You must be held responsible!

Doesn't make much sense, does it? As someone else pointed out and as I have to you on a number of occasions, to generalize that "all religion is bad" is to come from a religious stand point. You cannot stand across the pond and logically claim that all religions are bad without being religious in nature. How would you know? Have you experienced religion first hand? Are you a religious person yourself? Oh, you're Athiest? That's a worldview so steeped in ignorance and blind faith that nothing and no religion is right it's a religion all unto itself. You quote atrocites that "Christians" have done. What about nations? What about tribes in Africa with no religious affiliation? What about the hundreds of thousands of Murder's who held no religious convictions throughout history? Oh, they are just bad people but doing something in the name of a Religion is a worse off offense than just doing something evil in your eyes?

Please.

I will go one step further with this logic. You get mugged by a black guy, all all blacks to blame? No, of course not. Yes I am an Ateist, Yes I think people that believe in religion are just leaning on a crutch, however I think that crutch is very important to our society and I would never ask for it to be taken away. I do not want it involved in politics or schools, but if keeps a bad person from doing bad things for the fear of what may happen in the afterlife I say keep it!

[kronus]

Oh, you're Athiest? That's a worldview so steeped in ignorance and blind faith that nothing and no religion is right it's a religion all unto itself.

lol que