Israel just doesn't get it...

[jrhaile]

Please explain the portion about "given back to them"...

Lee

That's your only retort? We could go back in history a long, long ways but and argue whose land it really is but the Ottoman empire fell because they sided with Hitler. You know, the mass murdered who killed a documented 6 million Jews, Poles, Gypsie's, etc?

I don't hear you or anyone else complaining about how we kicked the shit out of the Native American's and put them onto tiny plots of land throughout our country. Why aren't you crying foul there? Shit, even the Indian's aren't crying foul. They have moved on and bettered themselves and adapted to what is considered an advanced civilization.

[Massive Lee]

Although it mentions nothing in the article of herding Gaza inhabitants into death camps to starve.

What do you think Israel has ben doing with Gaza? Open the TV. It's all there in the news. At least, the Germans didn't bomb Warsaw as hard as the Israelis did on Gaza...

[Massive Lee]

You seem to forget WHY they got that land given back to them...

Please explain the portion about "given back to them"...

Lee

[z31maniac]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...estinians.aid/


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[ACMF74]

I somehow missed this post when skimming through...

There are degrees of "working" and not having a major military conflict in an area with tension as high as Obama at a Tea Party movement in my book is "working." The last time I seem to remember a military conflict, Israel kicked the living shit out of 3 or 4 nations in what, 6 days?

Let me tell you a story about my childhood... there was a kid down the road named Jake. I used to pick on him and what not but never beat him up or anything because Jake had 2 big brothers who would smash me if I did. As soon as those 2 big brothers of his went off to College, Jake and I had a little fight and I didn't even think twice about kicking his ass because I knew there was nothing his big brothers could do about it (at least until Christmas :D). This is how the Middle East has been operating for some time. Other nations and organizations have been fucking with Israel for quite some time now but never actually picked a real major fight because they KNEW America would back Israel and wipe them out faster then they could bend over and praise Allah. It might not be a perfect solution but it is one that at least gives hope for talk as you suggest. By the US not backing Israel anymore, there is no deterrent for Syria, Iran, Hamas, Etc to pick that fight with Israel.

I hope I have made myself a bit more clear.

exactly....

[z31maniac]

Could Gaza be Israel's own Vietnam? Actually, the Lebanon war was its first Vietnam. Therefore Gaza could be the second Vietnam for Israel.
Not to mention that while during WW2, Eastern European Jews were brutally herded in Warsaw and left there starving to death (for many) until heading to death camps, Israel is doing the exact same thing in Gaza. Very ironic.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Isr...90112-776.html

A bit presumptive in spots, but a very interesting/good article.

Although it mentions nothing in the article of herding Gaza inhabitants into death camps to starve.

[jrhaile]

you call what we have been doing in the middle east of the past 50 years
"working", Hello, if it was working we would not be there. It is time to do something different, if it does not work we can try something else that does not work.

hmm, that theory of blindly backing Isreal has not and will not work. Obama has not hung Isreal out to dry by saying we are looking in to it, He is buying time. How is being diplomatic to Islamic dumb. Not all Islamic are suicide bombers. Iran is just as slighted as Isreal, I honsetly believe the only way there will be peace in the middle east is through talks and then through breeding the hate out, meaning if we can get peace now the children of the children of today will have never known the resentment of the past. That is how long it will take. You can not kill your way into tranquility

I somehow missed this post when skimming through...

There are degrees of "working" and not having a major military conflict in an area with tension as high as Obama at a Tea Party movement in my book is "working." The last time I seem to remember a military conflict, Israel kicked the living shit out of 3 or 4 nations in what, 6 days?

Let me tell you a story about my childhood... there was a kid down the road named Jake. I used to pick on him and what not but never beat him up or anything because Jake had 2 big brothers who would smash me if I did. As soon as those 2 big brothers of his went off to College, Jake and I had a little fight and I didn't even think twice about kicking his ass because I knew there was nothing his big brothers could do about it (at least until Christmas :D). This is how the Middle East has been operating for some time. Other nations and organizations have been fucking with Israel for quite some time now but never actually picked a real major fight because they KNEW America would back Israel and wipe them out faster then they could bend over and praise Allah. It might not be a perfect solution but it is one that at least gives hope for talk as you suggest. By the US not backing Israel anymore, there is no deterrent for Syria, Iran, Hamas, Etc to pick that fight with Israel.

I hope I have made myself a bit more clear.

[jrhaile]

Persecution has been the 2000 year old excuse.

Excuse? Are you fucking kidding? From the beginning of time the Jews have been persecuted 1000000000000x worse than any other race or religion in existence. Your comments are just flat out inflammatory and racist. You waffleswaffleswaffleswaffless in this thread call me a racist but then this guy has the nerve to even hint at the fact that Jews are just making it up and using what has happened to them as people as an "excuse?" It blows my mind that people in this day and age even think like this. You poke a cage animal enough and eventually IT WILL FIGHT BACK.

[jrhaile]

Its no secret that we are in the middle east for the oil. Hell, if any of you know anything about history then you know we helped start the oil industry over there when that area was a desert and nothing more. Now after meddling in that area for a while we've developed enemies who don't want us there. We survive on oil. I think I heard once that the average city wouldn't last more than 3 days if we had no more oil. So really there is no option but to keep meddling in the middle east affairs, especially if were not going to drill in our own backyard.

Holy shit.. is this 2005 all over again? We're not friends with ISRAEL because of oil. That might be on the list of advantages, but it's WAY down the list.

[jrhaile]

Yes, I have, Arent they the people that make death threats to doctors that perform abortions.

hahahahahha wow... you're as ignorant as they come. It's like on reading a Libtard website you post. It's incredible.

[jrhaile]

Israel has been getting a free ride for the past 70 years because of the Holocaust.

You seem to forget WHY they got that land given back to them... Someone teamed up on the wrong side and lost. This things happen in war and unfortunately for the Palestinian's and other people in that region, THEY teamed up with the WRONG FUCKING SIDE AND GOT DEMOLISHED.

[Massive Lee]

Could Gaza be Israel's own Vietnam? Actually, the Lebanon war was its first Vietnam. Therefore Gaza could be the second Vietnam for Israel.
Not to mention that while during WW2, Eastern European Jews were brutally herded in Warsaw and left there starving to death (for many) until heading to death camps, Israel is doing the exact same thing in Gaza. Very ironic.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Israel-s-Gaza-Atrocities-R-by-Dave-Lindorff-090112-776.html

[dvs909]

it is weird to me that your only interaction with born again christians are the type that bomb abortion clinics. Your social circle is strange.

lol

[markseven]

Yes, I have, Arent they the people that make death threats to doctors that perform abortions.

No, they are not. The extremists that bomb abortion clinics are Christian in name only, just as terrorists from the Middle East are Muslim in name, only. But you knew that ;)

It is weird to me that your only interaction with Born Again Christians are the type that bomb abortion clinics. Your social circle is strange.

[Massive Lee]

^So ongoing persecution is rendered moot after a couple thousand years? :p

What do you mean? :p