Bush kills 3000 American citizens so he can send Haliburton to Iraq to rebuild

[naplesE30]

I would hope that no one thinks more Govt is the solution. The more govt we get the worse the debt becomes, and the less incentive to succeed.

[decay]

Shit thanks for pointing out that Obama has ended those wars, and the contracts tied to them. We now gots plenty o money for Obama care!

Dont worry people the saviour has ended all the evil ways of Governmnet, and has cut spending... Man I had it way wrong, Obama is actually a fiscal conservative....

uhh... i didn't say any of that.

my objection to both wars is not a partisan thing.

as far as obama and the GWoT goes, i'd like an explanation for why we're still in iraq when he said we'd be withdrawn by now, and some kind of mission statement for afghanistan would be nice to hear too.

you've been watching far too much network news if you can't even discuss the subject without trying to put words in my mouth and attack the resulting straw-man.

[reelop19]

Anybody else wonder if these charts are accurate or made with a liberal agenda in mind? I'm just curious since I see no reference to a source but if I did I would be curious how they came up with these numbers.

[LBJefferies]

uhh... i didn't say any of that.

my objection to both wars is not a partisan thing.

as far as obama and the GWoT goes, i'd like an explanation for why we're still in iraq when he said we'd be withdrawn by now, and some kind of mission statement for afghanistan would be nice to hear too.

you've been watching far too much network news if you can't even discuss the subject without trying to put words in my mouth and attack the resulting straw-man.

We are withdrawing from Iraq. It doesn't happen overnight.

As far as Afghanistan, there was a recent troop surge and were supposed to begin withdrawing next year although I will believe it when I see it.

[Kershaw]

supposedly by the end of 2011 we are going to be all out of iraq.

i think we still have about 95,000 people there.

oh and i wanted to add that this thread was started as a joke. not that the stuff in this thread is a joke. but it was a parody of some guys post, i think vedubin.

[E30 Cabrio]

C & P from "Moveon.org" doesn't help your argument or your credibility and they have likely skewed the numbers to fit their viewpoint.

The Obamabots continue to campaign for Obama while the economy circles the drain.

What does "Moveon.org" have to say about Obama promising the Unemployment rate wouldn't go above 8% if he passed his pork-filled economic stimulus package that hasn't created any jobs, other than a few Government jobs such as Census workers?

The facts are, Obama hasn't created a single job in the almost 1.5 years he's been in office, despite spending nearly 1 Trillion dollars to do so.

A Trillion dollar tax cut would have stimulated the economy far more, and we still don't know where all that money went.
Likely to Obama's Union buddies.

He, nor his cabinet have very much experience in the private sector and they haven't a clue how to create, only how to take from those that create.

The Obamabots have to constantly tear down others and then compare them to Obama in a pathetic attempt to make Obama look competent.

It isn't working.

They dogged Bush, Palin, and now Cheney.

Who's going to be next?

As conservative as I am, I would pull the lever for Obama in 2012 if he created jobs and showed some semblance of competence, but we all know that isn't going to happen because Obama is nothing but an empty suit that isn't capable of anything other than reading others words from a teleprompter, and blaming others for his inability to get things done.

Sadly, by the time Obama is one and done, our country may be beyond being saved.

First thing I would do is to deport every illegal and to fine the shit out of any company that hires illegal's.
This would reduce the amount of money the government spends on social services, and would also instantly lower the unemployment rate while creating millions of jobs.
Also, much of that money that is being sent south of the border would instead stay here in the US were it would "snowball" in the form of more spending, creating a bigger tax base, creating more jobs, being re-invested, etc...

Next is to amend the 14th Amendment to it's original intent, which wasn't to create a loophole for "anchor babies"
See reasons why above.

After that, cut taxes to stimulate the economy - it's been proven to create jobs and to expand the tax base every time it's been done.
Kennedy and Reagan and Bush I & II all knew it. Why doesn't Obama?

Finally, cut unnecessary spending - every one of our elected officials adds "pork" to a bill to benefit their constituents and they also live like royalty.
The problem is that this is contributing to the demise of our country.

Have we forgotten that these people work for us and that we can fire them every 2-4-6 years?

As for Obama and some Dems, they want to give amnesty to millions of illegals because they want them as future voters.
There is even talk of making Puerto Rico the 51st state.

Damn the consequences.

Proof: He's suing AZ for upholding immigration laws.

We need to take care of the people that were born here/came here legally, and that have contributed to the tax base for 20,30,40 years and are spending their money here in the US instead of sending that money out of the country.

For those people south of the border who came here illegally - fix your country.
Instead, some are coming here and are bankrupting ours.
Not intentionally, but they are still doing so just the same.

BTW, this isn't some racist rant - this is fact.
If we continue to support millions of people from outside our country, with money we don't have, our own country won't survive.

That I guarantee.

It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when" and "when" is going to happen a lot sooner than people think.

What's going on in Europe (Greece, Spain, Hungary) is a preview of what is going to happen here if we don't man up and make some major changes and quick.

But I'm afraid it's already too late, and the US will become a 3rd world country in our lifetimes.

It's going to be ugly - rioting, blood in the streets, complete anarchy until things settle down.

Oh, and wait until Social Security goes under and what happens to millions of elderly people who will be penniless and won't be able to fend for themselves.

It's going to be damn heartbreaking when that happens.

[dvs909]

^^ thats raciest to suggest we deport illegals, and your going on lees ignore list.
:)

[mrsleeve]

YHEA for socialism

[Kershaw]

*snip*

too long; didnt read.

way to take this thread seriously.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that right there is the problem, if it does not agree with your view point you just ignore it. Well burring our collective heads in the sand will not get us past this shit, and it will not blow over, complacency is what got us into this and if it continues (what the progressives and the left want to get their agenda through) this country will be a lost cause. At least in the respect and laurels it was founded to protect and hold above all else.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. - Thomas Jefferson
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
take that to heart and learn what it means


I guess I should not be surprised with you on this 1

[pbr87]

srs bizniss in hurr. srsly.

[E30 Cabrio]

too long; didnt read.

way to take this thread seriously.

I guess mindlessly chanting "Yes we can!" is more suited to your attention span?

[Kershaw]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that right there is the problem, if it does not agree with your view point you just ignore it.

wait. so you think that bush killing 3000 americans is a problem?

why! i think i agree with you.

we are getting somewhere!

i mean.. you do realize that is the thread title, right? that is what this thread is about. and if you want to make your own thread about something else and post REALLY long posts that no one will read, go right ahead.

[mar1t1me]

So with Afghanistan alone costing about $6.7B per month, and private military contractors raking in a significant part of that, where is the incentive to get out? Those private contractors give money (our money!) to politicians in the form of campaign contributions, and we wonder why the politicians don't act to end the wars?

Look at this list of Private Military Companies. Why the hell do we even bother with maintaining the illusion of the US Armed Forces when all these mercenary organizations are ready to serve? And it doesn't stop there. Check out Northrop Grumman.

We will continue to spend billions as long as politicians are rewarded for prolonging wars.

[mrsleeve]

wait. so you think that bush killing 3000 americans is a problem?

why! i think i agree with you.

we are getting somewhere!

i mean.. you do realize that is the thread title, right? that is what this thread is about. and if you want to make your own thread about something else and post REALLY long posts that no one will read, go right ahead.

Give me a break, saying bush killed 3000 servicemen is like saying your fork is what made you get fat.

We are there its a fact of life, the general populations there are glad to have us, and glad they are now free of the reign of Saddam and the Taliban. Should we have gotten involved????? personally I am conflicted and think in many ways right war wrong time, and that we have more pressing issues at home.

The fact remains we are there and need to finish the job that was started, if we dont as soon as we leave those places will be over run with extreme Islamic rulers like the Taliban, and we will be right back to square one again.