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  • Vedubin01
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    • Jun 2006
    • 5852

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    Senate Democrats Pass Bill Allowing Govt to Collect Addresses, ATM Records of Bank Cu

    CNS News

    Senate Democrats Pass Bill Allowing Govt to Collect Addresses, ATM Records of Bank Customers
    Friday, May 21, 2010
    By Matt Cover, Staff Writer

    (CNSNews.com) – Senate Democrats united to pass a financial regulatory bill that allows the government to collect data on any person operating in financial markets at any level, including the collection of personal transaction records from local banks that list customers’ addresses and ATM receipts.

    The Senate voted 59-39 on Thursday to pass the bill, the chief aim of which is to more-heavily regulate the financial industry. The bill now goes to a conference committee in the House of Representatives, where differences between the House and Senate versions will be ironed out.

    The bill, if it becomes law, would create the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection and empower it to “gather information and activities of persons operating in consumer financial markets,” including the names and addresses of account holders, ATM and other transaction records, and the amount of money kept in each customer’s account.

    The new bureaucracy is then allowed to “use the data on branches and [individual and personal] deposit accounts … for any purpose” and may keep all records on file for at least three years and these can be made publicly available upon request.

    Senator Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) said that Democrats who claim this new bureaucracy will protect consumers are misleading the public.

    “[T]he American people are being misled,” Shelby said on the Senate floor on Thursday night. “The authors of this bill are telling them that this legislation has been drafted to address the recent financial crisis and that it will ‘tame’ Wall Street. I am afraid that they are going to be disappointed.”

    Shelby slammed the new consumer bureaucracy, saying that it was meant not to protect consumers but to “manage” them by monitoring their behavior.

    “Mr. President, make no mistake, behind the veil of anti-Wall Street rhetoric is an unrelenting desire to manage every facet of commerce under the guise of consumer protection.

    “They may be interested in protecting consumers, but they are more interested in managing them,” Shelby said.

    Shelby also criticized the idea that Americans need government to watch over their every financial move, saying that it was better to allow people the freedom to make their own choices and fail than to never allow them the freedom to choose at all.

    “Mr. President, I have faith in the American people and their ability to make good choices,” said Shelby. “Granted, we do not always choose well. But I believe that a poor choice freely made is far superior to a good choice made for me.”

    “I am afraid that the architects of this bill do not share this sentiment,” he said. “Nor do they share my faith in the American people.”

    Shelby further said that the ability of the Federal Reserve to collect such detailed information about the most basic of financial transactions was the beginning of an effort by government to regulate every financial action of every American citizen.

    “This new consumer bureaucracy is intended by its architects in the Treasury to begin the process of financial regulation with the intent of changing the behaviors of the American people,” said the senator.

    Shelby appears to be correct. The bill allows the bureau to collect any and all information on any person operating in the financial markets.
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  • Kershaw
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    • Feb 2010
    • 11822

    #2
    so, i guess more oversight in the financial industry is a bad thing?

    if only it were in place before bernie madoff...
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    • LBJefferies
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      • Sep 2009
      • 1690

      #3
      Originally posted by Kershaw
      so, i guess more oversight in the financial industry is a bad thing?

      if only it were in place before bernie madoff...
      Yeah but at the cost of your privacy? 1984 here we come.

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      • Vedubin01
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        • Jun 2006
        • 5852

        #4
        Originally posted by LBJefferies
        Yeah but at the cost of your privacy? 1984 here we come.

        Hole-E-Sheit holmes, I agree with you for once!
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        • mrsleeve
          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
          • Mar 2005
          • 16385

          #5
          Originally posted by LBJefferies
          Yeah but at the cost of your privacy? 1984 here we come.
          God dammit h0lmes gets it for once. I sir for the 1st time in a long time AGREE with you 100%



          Wow I feel funny now that I said that


          This is purposefully vague, you know "any person operating in financial markets at any level" now that is you running your own e-trade account, or if you have a broker do it. how about if you have a pension and the central fund is managing it. You have a IRA or 401k even if you just put money into it and have a hands off approach to it. How about you have a savings account or CD's at your local bank that makes loans. You are again participating in financial markets.

          You see this just lets the feds peak into you account and see what you spend and on what. Along with see how much you do with cash. Its so vague that it could implicate virtual everyone in the country. This is really is a violation of the 4th, but hey we have not reasonable right to privacy of email or geographical location anymore either When will it stop ????
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          Originally posted by Fusion
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          • LBJefferies
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            • Sep 2009
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            #6
            Originally posted by Vedubin01
            Hole-E-Sheit holmes, I agree with you for once!
            I have come a long way my friend.

            I think it's funny that this legislation is sold to the American people as if it is going to punish the banks or what not. In reality, it is the banks themselves writing the rules. This is nothing new really, the government and corporate interests are virtually indistinguishable now.

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            • Wiglaf
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              • Jan 2007
              • 1513

              #7
              honestly I thought they could get access to this information already.
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              • Jon325i
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                • Oct 2003
                • 6934

                #8
                This is disappointing news to say the least.....but knowing the current administrations' modus operandi with expanding government into every possible facet of our personal lives.....this news doesn't shock me.

                To think a few years ago the media played-up the drama of Bush's wire tapping for our national security and how it was portrayed as something that would infringe on the privacy of the citizens - a sense of violation because the government was listening in on their communications. This proposed financial legislation makes wire tapping look downright tame in comparison as far as Big Brother watching over your shoulder. And of course, this story will probably gain little traction in the news.

                More fodder for the teaparty folks - that's how the word will get out.

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                • mrsleeve
                  I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 16385

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Wiglaf
                  honestly I thought they could get access to this information already.
                  With a subpoena, or warrant yeah. This by passes all the legal protections that the govt has to have evidence of wrong doing and enough of it to convince a judge to believe there is wrong doing.

                  Now if this passes, its more pull names outta of a hat, and they have a nice shinny new govt agency full of people that will be doing just that. Looking to make sure you are spending your money in a appropriate manner. Or not halking parts or something on the side and not paying your taxes on the profits.
                  Originally posted by Fusion
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                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                  • Farbin Kaiber
                    Lil' Puppet
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 29502

                    #10
                    What does this mean for the War on Drugs?

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                    • LBJefferies
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                      • Sep 2009
                      • 1690

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Wiglaf
                      honestly I thought they could get access to this information already.
                      I think the FBI and CIA have always had the ability to peek into your life if they need to for the purposes of an investigation or something. I don't agree with that by any means, but at least they tend to keep secrets and don't make things public. This sort of thing has also been illegal, without a warrant, up until recently.

                      This new bill just seems like an excuse to make a government database of banking transactions. This is a completely different animal then a couple of peeks from the FBI. I don't even want to start on the implications of this.

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                      • joshh
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                        • Aug 2004
                        • 6195

                        #12
                        I miss Bush right about now...and I hate Bush.
                        Let's see just how far Obama can kick the legs out from under this country before we kick his ass out of office.
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                        • Kershaw
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                          • Feb 2010
                          • 11822

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jon325i
                          This proposed financial legislation makes wire tapping look downright tame in comparison as far as Big Brother watching over your shoulder. And of course, this story will probably gain little traction in the news.
                          how is personal wire tapping equal to transparency in an industry?
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                          • mrsleeve
                            I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 16385

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kershaw
                            how is personal wire tapping equal to transparency in an industry?
                            did you not read the OP. its not industry transparency, this is wire tapping of your personal financial holdings and when and how you spend them. With no evidence of wrong doing. All passed under the guise of Banking transparency
                            Originally posted by Fusion
                            If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                            The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                            The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                            • ck_taft325is
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                              • Sep 2007
                              • 6880

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Wiglaf
                              honestly I thought they could get access to this information already.

                              Me too... ;)
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