Thought DMCA was harshing you bro?

[joshh]

Bullshit!

If someone said "check out band x they rule!", how much more likely are you to give a listen if you can do it for free vs $15?? How many times does this happen before you come across a band you like enough to go see in concert?

I suppose it's possible to take your approach without going bankrupt if you only stick to totally mainstream bands that you hear on the radio. That's like 1% of what's out there. Want to see an awesome band before the tickets cost $60 each? You might have to do some looking around.

And it's a huge surprise to you that the only bands that make money are the ones that are mainstream....lol. Golly, why is that....

It's simple marketing. Free shit is a very small part of that.

[Wiglaf]

Your fanbase isn't going to change by giving out free CDs.

Bullshit!

If someone said "check out band x they rule!", how much more likely are you to give a listen if you can do it for free vs $15?? How many times does this happen before you come across a band you like enough to go see in concert?

I suppose it's possible to take your approach without going bankrupt if you only stick to totally mainstream bands that you hear on the radio. That's like 1% of what's out there. Want to see an awesome band before the tickets cost $60 each? You might have to do some looking around.

[decay]

Your lack of a moral compass is showing.
Trying to justify stealing because companies make money is why people like you are in jail spending time getting ass raped.
And yes it is the right thing to do.

trying to call me immoral while giving businesses a pass for unethical or even predatory behavior because "they need to make money" makes you a hypocrite, and a slave to your own irrational ideology. sucker.

[joshh]

i know you wree being a sarcastical ass, but it's 100% true that if you are a music artist, giving away your albums for free will build you a fanbase way faster than if each person had to pay $12 to give it a listen. That fanbase is worth a lot more in concert tickets and t-shirts than the pennies that the album publisher would pass along.

consumers win. artists win. the only losers are the publishers, but with each growing year they become less necessary for an artist to even be concerned with.

Most people already know what's on an album before they buy it. Your fanbase isn't going to change by giving out free CDs. If people like your music they will go to your concerts whether you give your CD's out for free or not. But most artists do give out some free stuff anyways. Whether it be the artist or the label.
However there is a balance to dealing with fans. You can go the Metallica route and make fans hate you or you can go the Dave Matthews way and lose a ton of money because you want to make friends. Neither is a good business model.

[Wiglaf]

You guys are completely right.

There is definitely a good business model in giving away your product. Sounds like a great way to make a living, where do I sign up?

i know you wree being a sarcastical ass, but it's 100% true that if you are a music artist, giving away your albums for free will build you a fanbase way faster than if each person had to pay $12 to give it a listen. That fanbase is worth a lot more in concert tickets and t-shirts than the pennies that the album publisher would pass along.

consumers win. artists win. the only losers are the publishers, but with each growing year they become less necessary for an artist to even be concerned with.

[joshh]

yeah, because playing fair with the same corporations that fuck us over at every turn is absolutely the "right" thing to do.

the MPAA and RIAA are our friends. really.

i'm guessing you have some very good excuses for AIG and goldman-sachs as well. let's hear 'em, you useful idiot.

Your lack of a moral compass is showing.
Trying to justify stealing because companies make money is why people like you are in jail spending time getting ass raped.
And yes it is the right thing to do.

[z31maniac]

You guys are completely right.

There is definitely a good business model in giving away your product. Sounds like a great way to make a living, where do I sign up?

[decay]

You might want to find a moral compass.

yeah, because playing fair with the same corporations that fuck us over at every turn is absolutely the "right" thing to do.

the MPAA and RIAA are our friends. really.

i'm guessing you have some very good excuses for AIG and goldman-sachs as well. let's hear 'em, you useful idiot.

[joshh]

I thought he was a socialist. Or is it a communist?

Six of one, a half dozen of the other.

Just slightly different forms of slavery.

[mrsleeve]

I thought he was a socialist. Or is it a communist?

Just slight variations of the same thing, just like Lutherans and Baptists, BMW and Audi, same thing just slight variations in outward appearance.

[mar1t1me]

That doesn't change the fact that he is a Marxist.

I thought he was a socialist. Or is it a communist?

[Wiglaf]

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200...53385345.shtml

http://www.ebooksyearntobefree.com/2009/09/09/infinite-goods-and-artificial-scarcity/

What this all amounts to is infinite goods and artificial scarcity, and how business models can adapt.

A better analogy would be if the replicator only made tomatoes. You could have as many tomatoes as you wanted, they'd always be perfect and delicious, and they'd always be free. This would put tomato farmers out of business. But these tomato farmers could likely start growing something else instead. And what happens to the rest of the economy? Pizza and pasta restaurants suddenly find that a major ingredient in many of their dishes just became free. Now, for the same dish, they can charge less, or buy higher quality ingredients, or make more profit. And if you're a really talented cook specializing in tomatoes? Your skills are now in very high demand.

And there is still a demand for the people who bring the tomatoes from the replicator to your table. There is still a demand for the person who stews and cans the tomatoes, or dices and seasons them. And all the other food items, the ones that aren't in infitnite supply, still need people to produce, process, and distribute them.

This is what's happening in the music industry, and starting to happen in the publishing industry. Some parts of the industries are finding their functions obsolete. Instead of looking at the money they could save with electronic distribution, and what good use they could put that money to, the industry is seeking new laws and regulations to limit the infinite supply so business can continue as usual.

Even if every single song, book, and movie was distributed digitally for free, there would still be a need for the music, publishing, and movie industries. There would still be demand for editors, producers, marketers, and all sorts of other services that these industries have always provided.

Reasonable people aren't calling for the abolition of the music, publishing, and movie industries. They're just asking these industries to look to the future, and stop trying to limit supply to protect obsolete business models.

[joshh]

Obama is a Marxist? And I suppose you think we live in a capitalist society? We have nothing even close to laissez faire in this country and haven't for over a century.

That doesn't change the fact that he is a Marxist.

[joshh]

This is such bullshit. Go ahead and try telling three hundred million people to embrace ethics, that worked really well with the drug war. :roll:

Also, piracy is not theft because scarcity does not exist in the digital world. It costs the same to produce one copy as it does to produce a million copies. The industry does not lose ANY real money when someone pirates something. And I can guarantee that if piracy didn't exist, most people would just do without music and movies because the products that are churned out by the entertainment industry are not worth the prices that are charged.

You have that justified pretty well. But fortunately there are people out here with ethics and morals that know better than that bullshit.
If you ever invent something and find after you dumped millions of dollars and thousands of hours of work into that product that there are people out there making free copies of it, you'd feel a hell of a lot different.
Pirating is theft.
Each company should have a choice in their product being copied. Most will wholeheartedly disagree with you. Because they were the ones that dumped millions of dollars and thousands of man hours into that product.

"i'm sorry sweetie, but Daddy's a sucker and is willing to give his paycheck up in exchange for a feeling of moral superiority. now eat your happy meal and pretend it's a ribeye, and we'll all sleep well tonight knowing that every business in America approves of our consumer habits."

You might want to find a moral compass.

[decay]

And now my kids want to know why I won't do it.....

"i'm sorry sweetie, but Daddy's a sucker and is willing to give his paycheck up in exchange for a feeling of moral superiority. now eat your happy meal and pretend it's a ribeye, and we'll all sleep well tonight knowing that every business in America approves of our consumer habits."