Thought DMCA was harshing you bro?

[LBJefferies]

Or, 'consumers' (pirates) should embrace ethics. Aren't character and integrity worth more than an mp3?

This is such bullshit. Go ahead and try telling three hundred million people to embrace ethics, that worked really well with the drug war. :roll:

Also, piracy is not theft because scarcity does not exist in the digital world. It costs the same to produce one copy as it does to produce a million copies. The industry does not lose ANY real money when someone pirates something. And I can guarantee that if piracy didn't exist, most people would just do without music and movies because the products that are churned out by the entertainment industry are not worth the prices that are charged.

[mar1t1me]

Or, 'consumers' (pirates) should embrace ethics. Aren't character and integrity worth more than an mp3?

The problem, at least for younger "consumers" is one of peer pressure. Anyone who actually follows the current laws regarding piracy and pays for things is put down as a sucker, or idiot. I've seen it with my kids. Their friends brag they got the (insert digital object of desire here) free! They've been to friends houses where mom illegally downloaded movies for the kids to watch. It's like a little thieves club and the parents enable it, and normalize it. And now my kids want to know why I won't do it.....

[mar1t1me]

"But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service." was to caveat that statement to make him look more moderate and to cover his tracks and not look the devout marxist that his actions, and speeches show him to be.

Obama is a Marxist? And I suppose you think we live in a capitalist society? We have nothing even close to laissez faire in this country and haven't for over a century.

[markseven]

This piracy crackdown is going to be just like Prohibition and the War on Drugs, and we all know how those turned out. When you make things illegal, it just ends up creating a black market for criminals to thrive.

Now, I am not saying that piracy should be legal, but what I am saying is that the entertainment industry needs to change it's current business model. The problem with the current business model is that they spend millions upon millions of dollars on the same garbage movies and music. These costs are then passed on to the consumer in the form of high prices. The industry thinks of a film or album like a filet mignon and they want to serve it to you in a fancy restaurant with full service. The consumer views an album or movie like a mcdonalds cheesburger which is cheap and disposable and they can grab on the go. So, there is a huge gap between what the industry deems is the value of the product, and what the consumer deems is the value of the product.

The way to combat piracy is not to throw people in jail. The way to combat piracy is to make quality and affordable products (which, like I said, the entertainment industry mostly does not) and embrace subscription services like Hulu and NetFlix.

Or, 'consumers' (pirates) should embrace ethics. Aren't character and integrity worth more than an mp3?

[mrsleeve]

Of course, the very next sentence is:

But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service.

Basically, he appeared to be condemning the Wall Street "everybody gets paid even when your performance sucks" ethos, which is one tiny thing upon which I can agree with him.

On topic, intellectual property rights must be defended against leeches who rationalize their behavior as anything other than theft plain and simple.

Ummm No

That was talking out of both sides of his ass hole.

On the 1st point "I think there is a point when you have made enough money" Was to appease all the masses labor unions and his core voters, of FUCK those evil rich bastards that just screw the little guy at will.

point 2 "But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service." was to caveat that statement to make him look more moderate and to cover his tracks and not look the devout marxist that his actions, and speeches show him to be.

[joshh]

Of course, the very next sentence is:

But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service.

Basically, he appeared to be condemning the Wall Street "everybody gets paid even when your performance sucks" ethos, which is one tiny thing upon which I can agree with him.

On topic, intellectual property rights must be defended against leeches who rationalize their behavior as anything other than theft plain and simple.

Oh yes of course. It's so deep of a subject he couldn't have just said it that way. Instead he has to say something that we are required to really think about and twist so he doesn't look like a Marxist. Instead of just hear his own words. Nice work comrade!

No one that actually believes in Capitalism would ever have referenced it in the way you think he did. Which is just plain silly.

It doesn't take a genius to see where this President wants to take this economy and Government.

[decay]

'"It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and reaching in and grabbing what's in the window." -- U.S. VP Joe Biden'

it's a little different, actually. if i could make free copies of the stuff in the window at tiffany's, i'd probably do that too.

[mar1t1me]

Just remember that there's a point when you've made enough money...

Of course, the very next sentence is:

But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service.

Basically, he appeared to be condemning the Wall Street "everybody gets paid even when your performance sucks" ethos, which is one tiny thing upon which I can agree with him.

On topic, intellectual property rights must be defended against leeches who rationalize their behavior as anything other than theft plain and simple.

[Wiglaf]

i hate the argument that it's theft.
They aren't missing anything but a potential sale, and most of those people that downloaded the shitty new album were not going to shell out $15 to buy it in the first place.
This "smash and grab" on a limitless good is going to be a hard sell.

[u3b3rg33k]

'"It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and reaching in and grabbing what's in the window." -- U.S. VP Joe Biden'

My opinion of Joe goes down every time he opens his mouth. I wonder what he thinks of libraries...

On a related (repost) note: http://www.dailytech.com/One+Nation+...rticle9716.htm

[mrsleeve]

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Did that really just come outta your brain?????


H0mie you are on a roll as of late. Really its good to see that you are waking up and starting to see how the world really is.

[LBJefferies]

This piracy crackdown is going to be just like Prohibition and the War on Drugs, and we all know how those turned out. When you make things illegal, it just ends up creating a black market for criminals to thrive.

Now, I am not saying that piracy should be legal, but what I am saying is that the entertainment industry needs to change it's current business model. The problem with the current business model is that they spend millions upon millions of dollars on the same garbage movies and music. These costs are then passed on to the consumer in the form of high prices. The industry thinks of a film or album like a filet mignon and they want to serve it to you in a fancy restaurant with full service. The consumer views an album or movie like a mcdonalds cheesburger which is cheap and disposable and they can grab on the go. So, there is a huge gap between what the industry deems is the value of the product, and what the consumer deems is the value of the product.

The way to combat piracy is not to throw people in jail. The way to combat piracy is to make quality and affordable products (which, like I said, the entertainment industry mostly does not) and embrace subscription services like Hulu and NetFlix.

[Wiglaf]

I've never heard pedantic before. Am I boring you over trivial points?

in other news, Bulgaria decides that libraries are organized crime:
http://techdirt.com/articles/20100630/12152310025.shtml

[joshh]

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/29/obama-i-do-think-at-a-certain-point-youve-made-enough-money/

[Kruzen]

Those were Obama's words.

How the hell did I miss that? Another fucking reason to hate him