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    #31
    Originally posted by gwb72tii View Post
    this is where you fail
    go to any state in the union that has tried to soak the rich
    it doesn't work. the rich, for the most part, are pretty smart. they avoid taxes where they can.
    they fucking move away
    We're talking about federal income tax.

    Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
    Just a national sales tax (that at current funding levels, although this should really be combined with spending cuts, would be approx 22%). Then you are only taxed on consumption vs your income. Hits the underground cash economy (these people do BUY things), etc.
    Define "fair". I agree that payroll and "death" taxes are a joke, but I don't have a problem with capital gains. If anything they should be higher. If a national sales tax could generate enough revenue for the govt without fucking too many people over I'd support it whole heartedly. That would be a huge step in sorting out the clusterfuck that is our tax code. Of course, like you note, that will never happen.

    Originally posted by joshh View Post
    The Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them because they think like Kansas. And the Republicans better figure it out fast.
    Haha, the Democrats will get their asses handed to them because they're a bunch of pussies who can't get their message straight or even defend their own legislation.

    But there's a chance that, in the long term, this could seriously benefit Obama. President's always take a hit in Congress in their first term. Look at Reagan and Clinton (especially Clinton).

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      #32
      "Then you are only taxed on consumption vs your income. Hits the underground cash economy."

      Taxing goods has a side effect : it promotes undeground economy. People will pay cash to avoid paying taxes. That's more ghost money that the governement has no control on, and less revenues.
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        #33
        Republican's are just holding up the country. They are more interested with their own self interest's rather then forwarding and bettering the country/economy. It's almost like they have the tone, "if we're not the commanding power, well, we'll just hold up the people who are." They really have very little left in their trick bag.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Kansas View Post
          Define "fair". I agree that payroll and "death" taxes are a joke, but I don't have a problem with capital gains. If anything they should be higher. If a national sales tax could generate enough revenue for the govt without fucking too many people over I'd support it whole heartedly. That would be a huge step in sorting out the clusterfuck that is our tax code. Of course, like you note, that will never happen.
          Everyone pays the same amount. And you are only taxed when you consume items. I'm not sure how much succinct or simple "fair" is. Fair means "treated with no bias," so if everyone pays the same tax on the same items.

          Raise the capital gains tax? Why? So more of that money will be moved to overseas where it won't be taxed at all? You sound exactly h0lmes while he was still in college.

          Originally posted by Massive Lee View Post
          "Then you are only taxed on consumption vs your income. Hits the underground cash economy."

          Taxing goods has a side effect : it promotes undeground economy. People will pay cash to avoid paying taxes. That's more ghost money that the governement has no control on, and less revenues.
          We already tax goods with all manner of taxes. Nearly 80% of the cost of a pack of cigarettes is TAX. But there is a huge "black market" for cigarettes isn't there? Or do the majority of people still buy them from a legit retailer with the tax stamp on the bottom.

          When I said underground economy, I meant people that don't pay traditional payroll/FICA taxes on their paychecks. Because prostitutes, drug dealers, contractors who get paid in cash, etc aren't paying any of those "income" taxes.
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            #35
            Originally posted by Leaf View Post
            Republican's are just holding up the country. They are more interested with their own self interest's rather then forwarding and bettering the country/economy. It's almost like they have the tone, "if we're not the commanding power, well, we'll just hold up the people who are." They really have very little left in their trick bag.
            you cant be this stupid can you.


            You have to be under 20, and the only real election you have paid any attention to is the 08 race and this one.

            You just keep parroting what you are are being spoon fed, and "taught" what to think. If you have any real level of inflect (or even common sense at all) you will some day see all that BS you are slinging will for what it is.
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              #36
              Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
              you cant be this stupid can you.
              Maybe he can be stupid, but he can also be right. All the Reps have done until now is to oppose everything the Dems are bringing to the table. Everything. How many votes/seats do the Reps have? Not much under 50%. Therefore they are 50% responsible for the current situation...
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                #37
                Originally posted by Massive Lee View Post
                Maybe he can be stupid, but he can also be right. All the Reps have done until now is to oppose everything the Dems are bringing to the table. Everything. How many votes/seats do the Reps have? Not much under 50%. Therefore they are 50% responsible for the current situation...
                And WTF you think the D's do when they are not in the top seat when they can get them selves togeather.

                That and right NOW the DEMS dont need 1 R to side with them, they can jamb anything through that they wish, they have the majorities, but cant get their shit together.
                Originally posted by Fusion
                If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                  And WTF you think the D's do when they are not in the top seat when they can get them selves togeather.

                  That and right NOW the DEMS dont need 1 R to side with them, they can jamb anything through that they wish, they have the majorities, but cant get their shit together.



                  This is the funniest part of the whole damned thing.
                  The Dems can't all agree to a bill so all of a sudden it's the republicans fault.
                  Then they blame them for this bill that wasn't even created.
                  Lee is also ignoring the fact that it's been Obama's policies that have been in effect not the republicans. Can you blame the Republicans on that one as well?.....lol.
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