Incredibly stupid: amazon.com

[Raxe]

Uhhh.... you guys are forgetting the most important part here:

Amazon.com can sell whatever the fuck it wants to sell as long as it falls within the law. They don't want to sell a particular book because they're worried about the reputation? Good for them, they don't have to.

I'm not about to march into a Bed Bath & Beyond and demand they start selling firearms, then throw a 2nd Amendment fit when they tell me they're not interested in carrying that type of product. If you really want the damn thing buy it somewhere else that does carry it.

[KenC]

LOL, there's like three different things being discussed/argued in this thread.

[markseven]

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Bo and Luke are giving the General a tune up and the city of san fran banned happy meals. So, you can't buy a happy meal there, but you should be able to buy a how-to guide on... oh well, whats the use.

[StereoInstaller1]

gonna have to side with h0lmes and Luke on this one.

That is a first, isn't it?

Freedom means everyone, not just the stuff YOU agree with

Ultimately, that is the only truth there is.

Amazon did not need to carry that book. I still do not understand why they did.

[mrsleeve]

That is a first, isn't it?

Nahhh we have lined up on some things here or and there, same goes with h0lmes, but I think this is the 1st time the stars have allingned and all 3 of us agree at once :)

Ultimately, that is the only truth there is.

Amazon did not need to carry that book. I still do not understand why they did.

Agreed on both parts, I by no means support Pedo love books, but to begin to censor anything no matter how inflammatory start the slide down a slippery slope that is very very hard to stop.

[ck_taft325is]

Nahhh we have lined up on some things here or and there, same goes with h0lmes, but I think this is the 1st time the stars have allingned and all 3 of us agree at once :)






Agreed on both parts, I by no means support Pedo love books, but to begin to censor anything no matter how inflammatory start the slide down a slippery slope that is very very hard to stop.

That is a very fear mongering and fearful stance.

Why do we have laws? Because they are morally right, despite how you "feel" about it. Taking a life because you're jealous of their BMW? Wrong. As it is with robbing an elderly woman because she's weak and bashing her in the face with a rock to make a point of how "manly" you are. Same goes for raping a child. To say that Freedom is in itself a means to an ends and overtly claim that because someone does not "agree" with something it cannot be "a law" is to say that our laws current or past, are obscene to the goodness of "Freedom". That is to then say that rape, murder, molestation of children, rape of women, is in effect, okay.

This book is not something that I "feel" is wrong. It's just that, flat out wrong. If you get buried in the menutia of bullshit and cannot see that plain truth, then I would say in the end you need to re-think your worldview a bit. You can't claim this is book is "okay" under the guise of "freedom" when it's explicit on how to destroy the "freedoms" of another human being. I'm sorry, but you can't distinguish between the two and in good conscience say that they are not mated in some way.

This is not "morality" we're discussing here. While yes, the Law does give someone the "right" (a grey area at best here) to write "whatever they want", there's nothing to say they should. Nor does this make it "right" or "okay".

Luke, you feel Churches shouldn't exist. I attend Church regularly. A Church which gives generously to it's local communities and to plant other Churches to give generously to it's local communities. I've given generously to this Church and seen amazing things done to others. Because our calling is Love our God and our Neighbor more than we love ourselves. You would willingly strike that from America because of... ? What has been done in the name of God by bad men? You feel it's too dangerous because of things in history that had less to do with God and more to do with bad men? Those same bad men that you're now defending who've written a book on how to rape children in a "safer" manner?

This is not an easy issue and blithly calling out that this should be "protected" while at the same time saying it's deplorable doesn't quite line up. KenC is very correct in that there are limitations. To liken this to "murder mysteries, horror..." ect, is ignorant and a straw man argument that has no business in logical thought.

As for the bolded above, you don't feel Sleeve, that anything should be censored because once it is, bad people, poor judgement or control happy buearacrats very well may censor "good" things? Then again, your highest aim is "freedom" at the stake of even other's "freedoms". This is not freedom but slavery to an ideal. While good natured, I don't think that applying some really decent common morality is a bad thing in this case.

This is a guide on how to molest Children. CHILDREN. Your children. My Children.

h0lmes, it is wrong, despite what twisted sense of morality you claim to hold as superior to other's to find Children Sexually attractive. That IS a gross bent on something good (sexual attraction) and obliging the idea that this is "not wrong" is disgustingly off center or logical thought.

[Kershaw]

I believe the author of this book has a right to be published and sold...if he can find a someone who will sell it. I also believe Amazon has the "privilege" of NOT selling it. The guys rights have not been compromised by a vendor being unwilling to carry it, Amazon should not be forced to sell it (that is for damn sure) and if there was some kind of contract between Amazon and the author, Amazon should pay him to complete their end of the contract.

this.

cant see why amazon would stock it in the first place though. that definitely slipped past QC.

[Dozyproductions]

Why do we have laws? Because they are morally right, despite how you "feel" about it. Taking a life because you're jealous of their BMW? Wrong. As it is with robbing an elderly woman because she's weak and bashing her in the face with a rock to make a point of how "manly" you are. Same goes for raping a child. To say that Freedom is in itself a means to an ends and overtly claim that because someone does not "agree" with something it cannot be "a law" is to say that our laws current or past, are obscene to the goodness of "Freedom". That is to then say that rape, murder, molestation of children, rape of women, is in effect, okay.

This book is not something that I "feel" is wrong. It's just that, flat out wrong. If you get buried in the menutia of bullshit and cannot see that plain truth, then I would say in the end you need to re-think your worldview a bit. You can't claim this is book is "okay" under the guise of "freedom" when it's explicit on how to destroy the "freedoms" of another human being. I'm sorry, but you can't distinguish between the two and in good conscience say that they are not mated in some way.

Lets just say it like this. If this forum was like the concept of American 'freedom', then you have the perfect right to throw whatever tantrum you want just as much as I have the right not to be bothered by what you have to say.

[joshh]

The book promotes Pedophilia. Safe or not it's illegal (and fucking gross).
Should we allow books like a pilot's guild to flying planes into buildings, a rapists guide to control or a serial killers guild to getting away with it or how about a guide to dragging "******s" behind trucks? If it's illegal and a how to type of book it should not imo be allowed to be printed and distributed.

This isn't a fictional book. It's a how to book on something illegal.

[z31maniac]

Are you guys also against the printing of the Anarchist Cookbook?

My copy shows/instructs me on how to do all kinds of stuff.

[mar1t1me]

Do you guys understand that the writer was using Amazon's new portal for self-publishers?

It's not like someone at a desk at Amazon said "gee this looks interesting-lets put it on the site and sell lots".

So, some pervert wrote a book, and wants to make a few bucks with his apparent first-hand knowledge of the subject. (Ick.)

Now, the question arises, what kind of content filters exist for self-publishing? This is the tricky part.

I think the only way to be able to legally deny the upload of material like this would be to have some kind of "community standards" guidelines up front that don't allow certain content aimed at direct instruction of how to perpetrate and escape punishment for illegal acts. I don't think we'd want to distribute a book called "Cop Killing for Dummies", or "The Definitive How-To Guide for Getting Away With Rape". Same with this pedo book. If the mere possession of child porn is illegal, then so should the direct instruction of how to abuse minors.

[z31maniac]

Which is why I asked the question about the Anarchist Cookbook, do we draw the line because it instructs you on how to do illegal things, or because it is illegal things that are gross/immoral/etc.

[mar1t1me]

Which is why I asked the question about the Anarchist Cookbook, do we draw the line because it instructs you on how to do illegal things, or because it is illegal things that are gross/immoral/etc.

I think the difference is that it is possible to do some of the things in the Anarchist's Cookbook out in the sticks for fun and not hurt anyone. In other words, the reading of that book doesn't necessarily mean you are a threat to society.

To do the things outlined in the pedo book, judging from the snippet posted, you need a victim. Someone to do the illegal act "to". For me, that's a key difference.

[StereoInstaller1]

Do you guys understand that the writer was using Amazon's new portal for self-publishers?

No, I didn't. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Wiglaf]

Uhhh.... you guys are forgetting the most important part here:

Amazon.com can sell whatever the fuck it wants to sell as long as it falls within the law. They don't want to sell a particular book because they're worried about the reputation? Good for them, they don't have to.

2nded. This is no different than when Walmart pulled Nine Inch Nails off the shelves. Free speech isn't even being called into question, the company just doesn't want the negative attention.

If the author want to go up against the bible groups and whoever to get it published elsewhere, that's his own fight, amazon doesn't have to help.