Incredibly stupid: amazon.com

[StereoInstaller1]

I do not believe "harming people" to be a deciding factor in the argument

[StereoInstaller1]

I'm not going to suggest that you are okay with child pornography or the rape of two year olds, but where would you draw the line?



I would agree if deviants were not part of the equation.

I don't "draw the line" anywhere. Freedom is freedom. If I had it my way there would be no churches at all, anywhere. I see it as EXACTLY the same thing. Don't even tell me that with churches there are no victims...especially the Christian churches. Mass Genocide, "Conquests", enslavement of entire populations...yes, including children.

So, the big thing you have to decide is do you want freedom, or not? If you "ban" this book or that book you have no freedom.

As much as this guys book sickens me, I would still fight in a war to allow it.

[KenC]

Quoted passage from the book:

"Unfortunately they [standard condoms] are much too big to fit boys younger than thirteen. Luckily there is a prodcut that is identical to the adult condom, in almost every way, which will do the trick."

"Latex, finger coits, intended to protect finger cuts from becoming infected, can provide the same level of protection as the adult latex sheath. They come in three sizes, small, medium and large, one of which is sure to fit any child under thirteen."

They are available at any pharmacy with no current restrictions with respect to their use. Caution should be taken, however, as any mention of mini-condoms, even those in a joking manner, could get these coits moved behind the counter."


On a purely legal basis, does this incite potential danger? That is, would adult having sex with a pre-teen be considered "dangerous."

I'm not an attorney, but I don't think this would be protected under the First Amendment.

[markseven]

I don't "draw the line" anywhere. Freedom is freedom. If I had it my way there would be no churches at all, anywhere. I see it as EXACTLY the same thing. Don't even tell me that with churches there are no victims...especially the Christian churches. Mass Genocide, "Conquests", enslavement of entire populations...yes, including children.

So, the big thing you have to decide is do you want freedom, or not? If you "ban" this book or that book you have no freedom.

As much as this guys book sickens me, I would still fight in a war to allow it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

Quoted passage from the book:

"Unfortunately they [standard condoms] are much too big to fit boys younger than thirteen. Luckily there is a prodcut that is identical to the adult condom, in almost every way, which will do the trick."

"Latex, finger coits, intended to protect finger cuts from becoming infected, can provide the same level of protection as the adult latex sheath. They come in three sizes, small, medium and large, one of which is sure to fit any child under thirteen."

They are available at any pharmacy with no current restrictions with respect to their use. Caution should be taken, however, as any mention of mini-condoms, even those in a joking manner, could get these coits moved behind the counter."

Luke, you are willing to die in a war to protect that?

[Scallywagon]

Yeah, gotta love that. Is it freedom of speech or not?

Is it only because you disagree with the author and his fan base?

As much as I believe the bible to be the worst hunk of fiction ever made, and easily the most dangerous book on earth, I want those who want to read it to have access.

Make sense? no such thing as partially free, man.

This^

What's next, gatekeepers on the internet too?

Freedom First, IMO

[KenC]

Regardless of whether the nature of the book is "moral," I'm not certain that it's completely legal to distribute. Can anyone find more info on this?

Can we derail this from kiddie-rape to the principles of freedom as protected and/or limited by the Constitution?

[KenC]

What's next, gatekeepers on the internet too?

Freedom First, IMO

There are gatekeepers on the Internet. I'll give you a hint, the organization rhymes with "FBI."

Regardless of how people feel about freedom, there are limitations to it in the US.

I think I'm having a legal argument in a group of people having a philosophical one lol.

[Scallywagon]

There are gatekeepers on the Internet. I'll give you a hint, the organization rhymes with "FBI."

Regardless of how people feel about freedom, there are limitations to it in the US.

I think I'm having a legal argument in a group of people having a philosophical one lol.

Yup.

[StereoInstaller1]

I'm not an attorney, but I don't think this would be protected under the First Amendment.

Me neither. However, I think this is exactly the kind of thing the First Amendment has morphed into.

Clearly, the intent of the First was all about being able to openly criticize the Government without fear of reprisal. Authors and wags since it was first ratified have stretched that liberty to attempt to encompass a whole litany of things such as porn and horror stories, bomb making and beastiality, including things that were once called sedition.

Is this book being censored? No.

This book is NOT being censored, they simply pulled it from their "shelves" (as it were in this digital world) as they have a right to do, whether by public demand or personal reason.

I believe the author of this book has a right to be published and sold...if he can find a someone who will sell it. I also believe Amazon has the "privilege" of NOT selling it. The guys rights have not been compromised by a vendor being unwilling to carry it, Amazon should not be forced to sell it (that is for damn sure) and if there was some kind of contract between Amazon and the author, Amazon should pay him to complete their end of the contract.

I guess the bigger issue is that now that there has been such a stink, this "book" has gotten so much more visibility that is will most certainly fall into the wrong hands. Children will be hurt and pedophiles will be murdered, lives will be ruined and all that really happened is that the media has grabbed our fickle little attentions again.

[markseven]

Regardless of whether the nature of the book is "moral," I'm not certain that it's completely legal to distribute. Can anyone find more info on this?

Can we derail this from kiddie-rape to the principles of freedom as protected and/or limited by the Constitution?

There are gatekeepers on the Internet. I'll give you a hint, the organization rhymes with "FBI."

Regardless of how people feel about freedom, there are limitations to it in the US.

I think I'm having a legal argument in a group of people having a philosophical one lol.

Jurisprudence?

[StereoInstaller1]

Luke, you are willing to die in a war to protect that?

Yes.

And: I did serve, as I believe every single able bodied person who lives within our borders should.

Freedom isn't cheap or easy, nor is it always comfortable.

There are LOTS of things that bother me more than a "how to" book on having sex with children.

[KenC]

Jurisprudence?

Well not exactly. I think that relates to what you guys are discussing. I'm more interested in the legal aspect than the moral one. I'm more interested in what the limitations are, not what they should be.

[markseven]

Yes.

And: I did serve, as I believe every single able bodied person who lives within our borders should.

Freedom isn't cheap or easy, nor is it always comfortable.

There are LOTS of things that bother me more than a "how to" book on having sex with children.

Nothing bothers me more than crimes against children.

Well not exactly. I think that relates to what you guys are discussing. I'm more interested in the legal aspect than the moral one. I'm more interested in what the limitations are, not what they should be.

Ken, I don't know much about the complexities of our law, but in this case I think there are themes working in parallel here.

[mrsleeve]

gonna have to side with h0lmes and Luke on this one.

Freedom of speech is just that, while offensive and down right deplorable its still protected speech.

The book is victimless, and As I understand it, the book it self dose not incite one to go pedo, it gives you tips to be safer. You still have to DECIDE WITH YOUR OWN FREE WILL to DO THE ACTS. This is where the line is.

By your guys logic we should also ban Murder mysteries, horror movies, Documentaries on torture of the dark ages CSI and other like Crime dramas and books, ect....... Along with anything else that may give someone ideas to commit crime.

Freedom means everyone, not just the stuff YOU agree with

[KenC]

By your guys logic we should also ban Murder mysteries, horror movies, Documentaries on torture of the dark ages CSI and other like Crime dramas and books, ect....... Along with anything else that may give someone ideas to commit crime.

Hyperbole.

I'm not saying this book should or shouldn't be allowed/read or whatever.

The First Amenent has limitations. You can't say or write things that explicitly incite violence against others. Where this book falls in that realm is unknown to me, however.

I don't care about philosophical opinions on freedom; I'm only interested in the law.