Incredibly stupid: amazon.com

[ck_taft325is]

2nded. This is no different than when Walmart pulled Nine Inch Nails off the shelves. Free speech isn't even being called into question, the company just doesn't want the negative attention.

If the author want to go up against the bible groups and whoever to get it published elsewhere, that's his own fight, amazon doesn't have to help.

What do Bible groups have to do with the price of a bean sprout in Somalia? This has less to do with Religion and more to do with common, basic sense of morality.

[markseven]

Do you guys understand that the writer was using Amazon's new portal for self-publishers?

It's not like someone at a desk at Amazon said "gee this looks interesting-lets put it on the site and sell lots".

So, some pervert wrote a book, and wants to make a few bucks with his apparent first-hand knowledge of the subject. (Ick.)

Now, the question arises, what kind of content filters exist for self-publishing? This is the tricky part.

I think the only way to be able to legally deny the upload of material like this would be to have some kind of "community standards" guidelines up front that don't allow certain content aimed at direct instruction of how to perpetrate and escape punishment for illegal acts. I don't think we'd want to distribute a book called "Cop Killing for Dummies", or "The Definitive How-To Guide for Getting Away With Rape". Same with this pedo book. If the mere possession of child porn is illegal, then so should the direct instruction of how to abuse minors.

Amazon should have acknowledged the fact that there were gaps in the product workflow (for lack of a concise description) and a lack of oversight. Instead, they tried to cover their rear end with the censorship spin.

Which is why I asked the question about the Anarchist Cookbook, do we draw the line because it instructs you on how to do illegal things, or because it is illegal things that are gross/immoral/etc.

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Oy, wrong quote! I meant to quote maritime:

I think the difference is that it is possible to do some of the things in the Anarchist's Cookbook out in the sticks for fun and not hurt anyone. In other words, the reading of that book doesn't necessarily mean you are a threat to society.

To do the things outlined in the pedo book, judging from the snippet posted, you need a victim. Someone to do the illegal act "to". For me, that's a key difference.

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[E-Thirty]

Ah sweet, it's out.

[87e30]

Meh, way overblown.

Pull book down, fine.

Guy sells his book off of his own downstairs computer on some sketchy website, fine.

People come back to reality, great.

[markseven]

What do Bible groups have to do with the price of a bean sprout in Somalia? This has less to do with Religion and more to do with common, basic sense of morality.

[markseven]

Meh, way overblown.

Pull book down, fine.

Guy sells his book off of his own downstairs computer on some sketchy website, fine.

People come back to reality, great.

Do you have kids?

[pawi30]

GTA should be illegal too.

[87e30]

Do you have kids?

I'm sure it's obvious that I'm young, and therefore do not have children.

I realize that nobody wants their kids to be the victim of a pedophile. In the same way nobody wants to be a victim of, or hear about victims of, robbery, rape, murder, etc...

I'm saying the reality is that these kinds of things are going to happen, and it's up to an individual to be smart about what they do and accept consequences of what does happen if they aren't so smart. In some cases there is nothing that can be done, which is unfortunate, but the way of life.

My point is this shouldn't be a big deal. I'd be willing to be that this book and similar books are out there in other places for those interested in finding them.

[markseven]

I'm sure it's obvious that I'm young, and therefore do not have children.

I realize that nobody wants their kids to be the victim of a pedophile. In the same way nobody wants to be a victim of, or hear about victims of, robbery, rape, murder, etc...

I'm saying the reality is that these kinds of things are going to happen, and it's up to an individual to be smart about what they do and accept consequences of what does happen if they aren't so smart. In some cases there is nothing that can be done, which is unfortunate, but the way of life.

My point is this shouldn't be a big deal. I'd be willing to be that this book and similar books are out there in other places for those interested in finding them.

And my point is that if you have kids, your perspective will probably be different. If you have seen the trust, innocence, vulnerability and love that is a child, then you will see this as a big deal. Allowing the presence of this type of material on a mainstream, high profile site such as amazon may lend a sense of normality to pedophiles. Realize this: they rape two year olds. It’s a big deal.

[Joey Link]

I can't release a book called "How to Kill Mexicans," and then give detailed plans.

That'd be plagiarism, I saw one at the gun show.

[Turf1600]

The book should remain available, end of story. This is a major freedom of speech/press issue. It's not whether or not the book should be removed, it's the precedent that it sets. There is a reason we rank 24th in freedom of press and are slipping all the time. Every decision like this erodes the integrity of the constitution and adds gray area where none should be allowed. What happened to "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? Does not apply to written word?

[Joey Link]

This is absolutely protected under the First Amendment. However, it is Amazon's decision, as a private company, as to whether or not they choose to sell it. I think they made the right choice.

[eurotrashm20]

And my point is that if you have kids, your perspective will probably be different. If you have seen the trust, innocence, vulnerability and love that is a child, then you will see this as a big deal. Allowing the presence of this type of material on a mainstream, high profile site such as amazon may lend a sense of normality to pedophiles. Realize this: they rape two year olds. It’s a big deal.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000! Yeah I have kids.

....and it's up to an individual to be smart about what they do and accept consequences of what does happen if they aren't so smart. In some cases there is nothing that can be done, which is unfortunate, but the way of life.

Two problems here ... "smart" (smart as in a balance of intellect and common sense) people don't commit these types of crimes and these types of criminals generally put the blame on others therefore (in their mind) making them immune to the consequences.

[markseven]

The book should remain available, end of story. This is a major freedom of speech/press issue. It's not whether or not the book should be removed, it's the precedent that it sets. There is a reason we rank 24th in freedom of press and are slipping all the time. Every decision like this erodes the integrity of the constitution and adds gray area where none should be allowed. What happened to "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? Does not apply to written word?

Intent.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000! Yeah I have kids.

:up:

[Turf1600]

I'm now inspired to write a satire.