The Bush Tax cuts...

[e30e]

Keep food subsidies and planned parent hood, you want food to triple the cost and tons of pregnant girls running around hungry?

[CorvallisBMW]

So the Republicans used the fillibuster to block a funding bill for 9/11 responders and their families. Why? Because they insist that the richest 2% of Americans must not let their tax rates rise 3%.

Wow, how's that feel Tea Party guys? The Republican's just said 'Fuck you and your service to our country' because a nice big bonus to their rich buddies is more important:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/09/health-sept-survivors-falls-short-senate/

Looks like the Party of No is back in action!

[Massive Lee]

MLee,

Since you are such a charity, why don't you start handing out some free brakes to those that cant afford it.

It's so funny when guys who are so far from earning $250k a year are so eager to defend those who actually make the dough. But hey, if your master makes money, maybe you can get some tip when you wipe his ass. It's called the slave mentality.

[Vedubin01]

Ya, and end up with millions of pregnant teens and newborn babies to load up the Medicare ranks... that'll help.

First, its Medicaid not Medicare that would take care of that problem. And I say do away with Medicaid completely. No fucking handouts for anyone!

Your example is the lack of family values and morals. The responsibility falls back on the family of said teens. Not the back of the American people!

As for your filibuster, the tax issue is a more important issue due to the fact there is only 18 days left in this year before the tax rate goes back to pre-Bush tax break. Get that taken care of and then Im sure they will take care of the few 9-11 responders.

[VasFinest]

First, its Medicaid not Medicare that would take care of that problem. And I say do away with Medicaid completely. No fucking handouts for anyone!

Your example is the lack of family values and morals. The responsibility falls back on the family of said teens. Not the back of the American people!

As for your filibuster, the tax issue is a more important issue due to the fact there is only 18 days left in this year before the tax rate goes back to pre-Bush tax break. Get that taken care of and then Im sure they will take care of the few 9-11 responders.

Holy shit, could not agree anymore!!! Why should I pay for a girls abortion?? It's not my responsibility. Fuck medicaid in general :hitler:

[Ryan Stewart]

It's so funny when guys who are so far from earning $250k a year are so eager to defend those who actually make the dough. But hey, if your master makes money, maybe you can get some tip when you wipe his ass. It's called the slave mentality.

A compromise in the bill and its impact on the AMT impacts couples making under 80k, if the gf and I wed we would be well above that and save considerably.

Also, by your logic I shouldnt support gay/female/minority rights since I'm not actually in those groups.

[e30e]

An abortion is cheaper than 18 years of them living off welfare and potentially going into the jail system; short cited answers like family values show that people have no understanding of social/economic morality issues that face this country. Not everyone makes excellent decisions all the time; some people make bad choices and do not understand that because they were never taught that. Common sense and morals are not born in us, there taught to us. I'm not stating hands outs should be everywhere but there is not simple answer that people make good and bad decisions such as getting pregnant at 16.

Subsidies benefit a lot of people, you like cheap milk, bread, and eggs well that's because its subsidized.
There a lot of people that have no idea that the childcare there children received, EVEN some of our members received was subsidized so your parents could go to work and pay into the system opposed to sit on there ass at home.

As for tax cuts, its been stated by quite a few wealthy people that an extra couple thousand dollars does not mean shit to them; they'll find ways to recoupe it.

[Ryan Stewart]

The valid argument is that I am not responsible for their bad decisions.

[joshh]

Ya, and end up with millions of pregnant teens and newborn babies to load up the Medicare ranks... that'll help.

Because that's my problem why?

Because education and handing out birth control is such a terrible idea right.

But this goes over your head because you think that the rest of us are responsible for everyone else. Your Socialistic fantasy doesn't and wont work.
Large extended families have been torn apart over the years by the liberal idea that these people don't need their families because the Government will take care of them. Thus you get more and more retards being held up by Planned Parenthood type groups promising hope they can't give.

[joshh]

An abortion is cheaper than 18 years of them living off welfare and potentially going into the jail system; short cited answers like family values show that people have no understanding of social/economic morality issues that face this country. Not everyone makes excellent decisions all the time; some people make bad choices and do not understand that because they were never taught that. Common sense and morals are not born in us, there taught to us. I'm not stating hands outs should be everywhere but there is not simple answer that people make good and bad decisions such as getting pregnant at 16.

Subsidies benefit a lot of people, you like cheap milk, bread, and eggs well that's because its subsidized.
There a lot of people that have no idea that the childcare there children received, EVEN some of our members received was subsidized so your parents could go to work and pay into the system opposed to sit on there ass at home.

As for tax cuts, its been stated by quite a few wealthy people that an extra couple thousand dollars does not mean shit to them; they'll find ways to recoupe it.

What happens when you give someone a hand out and fail to let them learn from their mistakes? The answer is they keep making them. It's not a mistake if there's a lack of consequences. And they continue down the same road of bad decisions.

Subsidies are currently necessary because the system is broken.

[CorvallisBMW]

First, its Medicaid not Medicare that would take care of that problem. And I say do away with Medicaid completely. No fucking handouts for anyone!

Your example is the lack of family values and morals. The responsibility falls back on the family of said teens. Not the back of the American people!

As for your filibuster, the tax issue is a more important issue due to the fact there is only 18 days left in this year before the tax rate goes back to pre-Bush tax break. Get that taken care of and then Im sure they will take care of the few 9-11 responders.

lol, get rid of Medicaid? So all the poor will clog the emergency rooms, seeking care that costs ten or twenty times more? And who do you think will pay for that? You will, buddy. Through increased insurance premiums. Can you even begin to comprehend the cost to the system of dumping 20 million uninsured poor people on to the streets? Go ahead.... think about it. Then get back to me when you figure it out.

I'm not debating where the responsibility lies. I am just pointing out that cutting $350M from PP will cost you $3.5B in Medicaid because it's 100x more expensive to raise a child than to prevent a teen pregnancy in the first place.

You want to cut the budget and save money? Prevention is always cheaper than treatment after the fact.

And yes, the tax cuts are important. But why does everything else have to be denied? They brought the bill up for debate and voted on it, it wouldn't have taken any more time to vote 'yes' as opposed to 'no'. It's still a snub to the American people and the 9/11 responders.

Holy shit, could not agree anymore!!! Why should I pay for a girls abortion?? It's not my responsibility. Fuck medicaid in general :hitler:

Medicaid doesn't cover abortions. You fail.

Because that's my problem why?

Because education and handing out birth control is such a terrible idea right.

But this goes over your head because you think that the rest of us are responsible for everyone else. Your Socialistic fantasy doesn't and wont work.
Large extended families have been torn apart over the years by the liberal idea that these people don't need their families because the Government will take care of them. Thus you get more and more retards being held up by Planned Parenthood type groups promising hope they can't give.

I'm not saying you have to take responsibility for anyone else. I'm just pointing out, as I did above, that cutting funding to PP would cost you 100x more down the road than keeping it in place.

You guys really are too short-sighted to look 9 months in to the future and realize that a new mom's very first (of many) doctor visits will cost more than a lifetime of birth control pills?

[Vedubin01]

lol, get rid of Medicaid? So all the poor will clog the emergency rooms, seeking care that costs ten or twenty times more? And who do you think will pay for that? You will, buddy. Through increased insurance premiums. Can you even begin to comprehend the cost to the system of dumping 20 million uninsured poor people on to the streets? Go ahead.... think about it. Then get back to me when you figure it out.

You dont provide services.... the poor Americans can act like poor Mexicans, by crossing the border into Canada for their free health care.


That was kind of a joke,

I guess you have not been to the ER in some time, its already flooded by people that cant pay. Nothing new in the ER.

Hospitals get reimbursed by the government for those that cant or do not pay already.

[Vedubin01]

Medicaid doesn't cover abortions. You fail.

Actually Medicaid does cover Abortions, it just varies from state to state!

You FAIL!

[Frog]

Obama wanted taxes like Clinton's administration.. For the rich, with a shit load of disposable income.

If you're rich, and oppose the (minimally) increased tax on the rich, I understand. But most of the people bitching about it are poor rednecks.

[Ryan Stewart]

Obama wanted taxes like Clinton's administration.. For the rich, with a shit load of disposable income.

If you're rich, and oppose (minimally) increased tax on the rich, I understand. But most of the people bitching about it are poor rednecks.

I oppose it, live within the city, make more than the average household income and am still well below $250k a year. So what does that make me?

Things like the AMT and such do impact my family. My parents actually would be on the cusp of the change.

Even said, Im more concerned about equitableness. I dont have to be a millionaire because, like I posted before, I shouldnt be expected to be part of a group to give a shit about the outcome of the group should I? If that is the case then am I a "poor redneck" because I believe gays should be able to marry despite being hetero or that you shouldnt be able to own black people even though I am white?

I have a fundamental issue with the idea that "they have success, they should pay for the rest." Even with a flat tax they would be paying more (they already do account for a bulk of the income while the people at the bottom pay none). I "like" the idea that the Dems claim that this bill adds $600bil to the deficit because of the millionaires without noting that the $600bil is the total cost of the bill and that only a small portion of it actually goes towards the "millionaire's tax cut."

Also this doesnt take into account people using S-Corps that pass all of the tax burden onto themselves as the shareholders (its still lower than our corporate tax rate). But, Im sure you thought of that didn't you?

Personally, let it expire for everyone. Its not going to keep people from feeding their kids since the really poor dont pay income tax anyway. Let it expire on the condition that they also equally cut as much from the budget.

I find it funny that people who have the rape the rich/business also are the ones bitching the most about how everyone is taking their business overseas. This is a new world, you cant just bend someone over and expect them to take it when they have options. What happens is you end up with Lichtenstein, a tiny country that is wealthy despite low tax rates because everyone wants to pay taxes there instead of higher rates in the rest of Europe.