The Bush Tax cuts...

[Ryan Stewart]

lol @ teens not having sex. Good luck with that one, let me know how it turns out :up:

If you guys want to live in a libertarian society where you pay only minimal taxes and the government has no entitlement programs, handouts, welfare or the like, why don't you just move to some African shithole? Zero taxes, zero government intrusion in to your life, no 'nanny state' BS and certainly no gov't run health care! It'll be perfect for you! You can rely on yourself and only yourself, you don't have to take care of anyone else. It'll be like a joshh/vedubin1 utopia!

Well, if we are going to just make shit up in hyperbole then you could just move to North Korea. They take care of everything for you. Decisions and personal freedoms are overrated, your faith in dear leader will keep you warm. Or Iran, they have an economy at least. And hey, according to Aminajimjab they dont have queers. Thats a good thing, right?

Govt is a nessecary evil, but it doesnt have to be an evil. Our govt could stick to doing what it was designed to do and be just fine.

[Ryan Stewart]

trim military spending by 10%... would save a little over $100bil

$66bil. Aka slightly less than we would save if we cut the social welfare programs outlay by 10%

[joshh]

AMEN! I agree with you Joshh

Nice, the social programs have just gotten out of hand. Many people need help, so let's actually help them. This doesn't mean placing food in their mouth.

[LBJefferies]

Nice, the social programs have just gotten out of hand. Many people need help, so let's actually help them. This doesn't mean placing food in their mouth.

And what about the 600 billion dollar social program known as the US Military?

[KenC]

$66bil. Aka slightly less than we would save if we cut the social welfare programs outlay by 10%

Military spending extends beyond the budget of the Dept of Defense.

Budget for 2010

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion.[1][2]

When the budget was signed into law on October 28, 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense's budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than President Obama had requested.[3] An additional $37 billion supplemental bill to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was expected to pass in the spring of 2010, but has been delayed by the House of Representatives after passing the Senate.[4][5] Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $319 billion and $654 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $1.01 and $1.35 trillion in fiscal year 2010.[6]

[gwb72tii]

It's so funny when guys who are so far from earning $250k a year are so eager to defend those who actually make the dough. But hey, if your master makes money, maybe you can get some tip when you wipe his ass. It's called the slave mentality.

so let me see if i understand you

i make $300k
you make $30k
nobody gave either of us anything except opportunity

you believe its your right to take some of my money

that about right
for all you libs?

[mrsleeve]

Defense is one of the FEW MANDATES OF THE FEDERAL GOVT you know one of the few things its actually supposed to do and spend money on

[KenC]

Defense is one of the FEW MANDATES OF THE FEDERAL GOVT you know one of the few things its actually supposed to do and spend money on

There's no mandated minimum amount though.

[LBJefferies]

Defense is one of the FEW MANDATES OF THE FEDERAL GOVT you know one of the few things its actually supposed to do and spend money on

Are you talking about the Preamble to the constitution because im sure it also says something about welfare in their as well.

[Ryan Stewart]

Military spending extends beyond the budget of the Dept of Defense.

What are those items? It doesnt really define them.

And the point still stands, we also spend a horrendous amount on a federal level on social programs. Both should shrink.

[LBJefferies]

What are those items? It doesnt really define them.

And the point still stands, we also spend a horrendous amount on a federal level on social programs. Both should shrink.

Oh i dunno, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan maybe.

[mrsleeve]

Are you talking about the Preamble to the constitution because im sure it also says something about welfare in their as well.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah

at your lack or understanding of the word Welfare in the context of the Constitution.

LOL Really I now have to clean the coffee outta this computer.

Welfare in that context dose not mean hand out food, housing, heath care, and what not to those that are too lazy to get off thier ass and feed them selves .

Welfare means the well being of the citizenry, so they can live their lives and provide for them selves, and help each other in times of need. Its not the job of the govt, the sooner you get off the socialism band wagon the better


Since we are that topic for a sec here is good one form another one of my favorite founders

I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” – Ben Franklin

[LBJefferies]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah

at your lack or understanding of the word Welfare in the context of the Constitution.

LOL Really I now have to clean the coffee outta this computer.

Welfare in that context dose not mean hand out food, housing, heath care, and what not to those that are too lazy to get off thier ass and feed them selves .

Welfare means the well being of the citizenry, so they can live their lives and provide for them selves, and help each other in times of need. Its not the job of the govt, the sooner you get off the socialism band wagon the better

Thats not my point you nimrod. My point was that the part of the constitution that says to provide defense (and welfare) is pretty damn vague.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See my edit, How is it vague, the primary task of the federal govt is to PROTECT the united states IE defense, you know the NAVY, and the Army, so one and so forth.
I gave you the what the founders meant by welfare, again not vague at all. seems fairly obvious to me

[z31maniac]

There's no mandated minimum amount though.

Poor argument point, because there is no mandated maximum either.