$5 Gas in 2012?

[deutschman]

ok i got to say some of that makes a lot of sens. i am not one to go deregulating shit though. but that is another discussion in its self.
the thing is that that is also a short term fix. we only have so much oil on this planet. ones it does run out ,which it will, what do we do?
at some point oil will get way to expensive for regular people to afford, and i think we are slowly seeing it happen right now.

[Vedubin01]

ok i got to say some of that makes a lot of sens. i am not one to go deregulating shit though. but that is another discussion in its self.
the thing is that that is also a short term fix. we only have so much oil on this planet. ones it does run out ,which it will, what do we do?
at some point oil will get way to expensive for regular people to afford, and i think we are slowly seeing it happen right now.

I agree with ya on most. We do need to produce more Nuclear Power and open up restriction to new refineries. Nuclear power will remove some of the dependence of Oil. And new refineries will help with the bottle necking of converting crude to fuel.

Peak Oil is what you speak of. Sure we need to start planning for the future with out mass amounts of Oil but, Peak oil will not happen in our lifetime or even our kids lifetime.

Id bet WWIII will happen before Peak Oil happens.

[CorvallisBMW]

Brazil's fuel is 100% made from Sugar Cane does not depend on the rest of the world for its Fuel source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

If you actually read that article, you'll see that their gasoline is E25, meaning 25% ethanol and 75% petroleum...

I agree with ya on most. We do need to produce more Nuclear Power and open up restriction to new refineries. Nuclear power will remove some of the dependence of Oil. And new refineries will help with the bottle necking of converting crude to fuel.

Peak Oil is what you speak of. Sure we need to start planning for the future with out mass amounts of Oil but, Peak oil will not happen in our lifetime or even our kids lifetime.

Id bet WWIII will happen before Peak Oil happens.

You're definitely in the minority there then. If you research 'peak oil', you'll find 99% of the findings and studies done point to it having already happened or happening in the very near future. In fact:

[lga714]

Awesome! Less bro trucks on the road. I get paid to drive and I write it off for taxes, I love being an IC.

[Vedubin01]

If you actually read that article, you'll see that their gasoline is E25, meaning 25% ethanol and 75% petroleum...

Maybe a poor Article to use, today a lot of Brazil is using E100. Im sure if you ask Erick (our resident drifter) he is from Brazil. He would enlighten you on this. WE have had this discussion before. I think he is in Brazil currently.

Its been a 30 year gamble that seems to be working for Brazil. Coupled with the fact that Brazil is an oil producing country. Not dependent on the world market for its oil consumption.

[z31maniac]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with peak oil theory, there are just too many variables to try to account for. Hell the Saudi's have been pumping MILLIONS of barrels a day for decades, and yet their "proven reserves" haven't changed?

But, the Peak Oil advocates have continued to say that the "peak" is just around the corner for approaching 40 years now.

[z31maniac]

Maybe a poor Article to use, today a lot of Brazil is using E100. Im sure if you ask Erick (our resident drifter) he is from Brazil. He would enlighten you on this. WE have had this discussion before. I think he is in Brazil currently.

Its been a 30 year gamble that seems to be working for Brazil. Coupled with the fact that Brazil is an oil producing country. Not dependent on the world market for its oil consumption.

Approx 40% of vehicles in Brazil use E100 while the rest of the country uses varying grades from E10 to E85.

However, I'd like to see the energy loss it takes to produce the ethanol.

[Vedubin01]

IYou're definitely in the minority there then. If you research 'peak oil', you'll find 99% of the findings and studies done point to it having already happened or happening in the very near future.

All that shows is peak consumption. Supply keeping up with Demand. Demand falling, less production needed.

[Vedubin01]

However, I'd like to see the energy loss it takes to produce the ethanol.

Me too, goes hand in hand on how much energy it takes to produce Electric and Hybrid vehicles.

[joshh]

The remaining oil companies control their own market. We haven't built an oil refinery since 1972 (or was it 74?). This alone artificially increases the price of fuel. Supply and demand.
And I'm sure the oil companies have made large donations 9back handedly) to tree hugging organizations just for the purpose of fighting against the oil companies (themselves)...so they can artificially control the price of their own product. Or if you will...the price artificially increases.
It's what many now call "good" business. And what I call bullshit.
Thanks to both liberal retards and the oil companies.

Nuke=bring it!

[nando]

yep. it's the evil oil companies. you know, there's tons of evidence to support that. ;)

[deutschman]

The remaining oil companies control their own market. We haven't built an oil refinery since 1972 (or was it 74?). This alone artificially increases the price of fuel. Supply and demand.
And I'm sure the oil companies have made large donations 9back handedly) to tree hugging organizations just for the purpose of fighting against the oil companies (themselves)...so they can artificially control the price of their own product. Or if you will...the price artificially increases.
It's what many now call "good" business. And what I call bullshit.
Thanks to both liberal retards and the oil companies.

Nuke=bring it!

i like how it is always the liberals fault with you. so narrow minded.
there are plenty of other people out there that fuck with us other then libs.
off topic.

yep. it's the evil oil companies. you know, there's tons of evidence to support that. ;-)

;-)

[joshh]

i like how it is always the liberals fault with you. so narrow minded.
there are plenty of other people out there that fuck with us other then libs.
off topic.


;-)

Are oil companies generally liberals?
Your suggestion I'm narrow minded for that reason is very short sighted...you obviously haven't read many of my posts....lol. And if you have you're ignoring what I said.
Liberals happen to be the biggest threat to mine and your freedom however.

[Fusion]

Gas price has nothing to do with politics.

About 60% of the $6.46/gal here is various government taxes.
The fuel itself is still cheap as hell. Usually socialist (or left wing) governments tend to raise the consumer taxes for cigarettes, alcohol, and fuel.

[Massive Lee]

About 60% of the $6.46/gal here is various government taxes.
The fuel itself is still cheap as hell. Usually socialist (or left wing) governments tend to raise the consumer taxes for cigarettes, alcohol, and fuel.

Do fuel taxes vary on an hourly basis such as is the case with the overall price of fuel at the pump?