$5 Gas in 2012?

[mrsleeve]

Right. Because oil is the only form of energy available to us. You're a friggin genius!

Well no but it is the BEST. It holds the most BTU by volume, its the most stable at atmospheric pressures and temps. its the most economical to produce into motor fuel from both an economical stand point and from a NET ENERGY CONSUMPTION stand point to get the point of usable fuel etc... Shall I continue??


You need to join the real world that is governed by Physics, economics, common sense, and reality. When you do, Check the Idealism at the door.

[Naplm00]

5 bux a gallon? let me introduce you the Fiat 500.

I test drove this...its fucking tiny and will only get 38 MPG on PREMIUM. Fiat states that running it on regular will negatively effect the mileage.


We ended up buying a CPO 2010 honda insight for less..alot less

[z31maniac]

So it's smaller and less powerful than the new Fiesta, and get's worse gas mileage using premium?

Way to go Chrysler! Glad to see the new CEO's are already counting on more bailout money.

[redsubdivisions]

Considering a vast majority of the members on here are gearheads (or petrolheads for the UK members), did anyone see the episode with the BMW M3 and the Toyota Prius on Top Gear? The Prius fully accelerated around the track got worse gas mileage than the M3 because the M3 was feathering the throttle and staying right behind the Prius. It's not about changing your cars but rather your driving habits. I went out and bought a 2.93 LSD so I could do low speed drifting and still get decent MPG around town. it's a BMW and not an econobox that gets 43MPG, but it beats a car payment.

[tjts1]

We ended up buying a CPO 2010 honda insight for less..alot less

I drove one of those from zip car I think. Worst throttle response from a dead stop I've ever experienced. Wait at a stop, light turns green, press the gas pedal, nothing. Other cars are already moving so I press the pedal further, still nothing. The first car is already on the other side of the intersection and I'm still standing still with my foot glued to the floor and the engine starts, tires chip and I'm off. They really need to fix the whole engine start/stop thing.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Had a rental Ford Escape Hybrid that was like that. You pull up to an intersection and the little Gerbil wheel in front just stops.

I was AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WTF WTF WTF I am in a strange city in 5pm traffic and this thing quits at the intersection out in front the fucking Airport????

I turn the key nothing. Then I remember that this POS is a Hybrid so i just let off the brakes and it silently rolls 3-4 feet, the light turns green and I stomp on the go pedal, Nada for what seemed like 10 mins with horns and shit blowing behind me as we slowly roll into the intersection. Finlay this POS decides I want to go again fires up and we take off. But for as far as my foot was planted up that gerbils ass, we didnt go very good and it would not rev up to the indicated red line on the tach from a red light or anywhere for that matter.

[M42Power]

Diesel you bastards.

We run efficient little diesel cars like vw polo's tdi that get 3.3 liters by 100km

[e30trooper]

Diesel went down 4 cents last night. Currently at 4.39 a gal now.

[Pussy30]

paid 3.43 for 93 this morning.

suck it

[e30trooper]

paid 3.43 for 93 this morning.

suck it

3.43 ? Did you siphon it out?

[QUKBMER]

Thats it, im buying my bosses smart car.

[mrsleeve]

Diesel went down 4 cents last night. Currently at 4.39 a gal now.

paid 3.87 for Diesel 2 days ago, and 3.34 for gas 4-5 days ago. (yes we are a oil producing state and have 4 refineries here as well so our pricing stays fairly decent)


M42: We are not allowed to have those really efficient diesels here in this country, Our Govt has banned them via Stupid emissions regulations. IIRC the EU has or is going to adopt the same or even more restrictive guidelines so look for all your little ultra efficient shit boxes, too need Exhaust Fluid and mileage to tank in the near future

[tjts1]

As long as diesel fuel costs more per gallon than gasoline people will never go big on diesels in this country. The cost of cleaning up the emissions from a diesel is constantly increasing with stricter rules while the cost of hybrids keeps dropping like all electronics have throughout the last 30 years. The cheapest TDI you can buy today in the US is within a couple of hundred bucks of the cheapest Prius. The hybrid will always have an FE advantage over the diesel in stop and go driving where we spend most of our time so its kind of a no brainer. If you spend all your time on the highway by all means go for the diesel otherwise it doesn't really make sense.
Honda's IMA system is idiotic because the car will not move without the gasoline engine being turned on. Other systems where the electric motor and gasoline engine can be run separately are more mature but they're still in their infancy with the exception of a few toyotas. The system in the chevy volt is by far the dumbest shit i've ever seen. 4000lb for a 4 seater compact that costs almost twice as much as a prius? Give a break.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you get the feds to drop the taxes on Diesel down to the same as it is on gas Diesel will be cheaper than reg. again.



Hybrids are a dead end technology period developing them much further is going to be a fools folly and coat all of us the tax payers a shit load more money, its fucking assinie (SP)

[tjts1]

Whatever you say bro. When your midsize diesel does 51 mpg city call me.