If banning guns works.....

[KenC]

I agree, most people are not up to par to carry. I shoot weekly and is my number 1 hobby. I also make my own ammunition. Every time I go to a public range I just nod my head in disbelief that there are some really dumb ass people that own guns. The problem is the US has gotten away from the outdoors in general and now "city" folk think its cool to now own something they have little or no training on. But banning such weapons goes against the Constitution. I just hope Darwin filters out the retards.

Ken if you ever make it to South Florida, Id gladly take you out to a private range and let you experience NFA firearms. Teach you gun safety, and build your confidence in CCW.

Thanks, Gordon. I'll take you up on that offer next time LeBron flies me down for a game haha. In all seriousness, offer appreciated.

At least in my state, it's legal for a person to open carry a side-arm with no training on safety or operation. The possibilty of that becoming the norm in public is frankly frightening.

The people that carry all the time out of paranoia make me laugh a little, but if you've passed a background check (no violent crimes/serious felonies), and have proven that you can safely handle and operate the weapon, then it's no concern of mine. Two of my best friends carry almost all the time, and I've never thought twice about it as they're both upstanding citizens who are more than qualified to handle them.

[z31maniac]

Open-carry is legal in many states, have you ever actually witnessed it?

This is going to be different coming from me, but I'm actually against open-carry. I think you are in entirely the wrong state of mind if you wish to walk around in public OPENLY with a gun.

I don't understand why you would:
1. Want to attract that type of attention.
2. Freak everyone else out.

The guy sitting next to you at dinner *may* be carrying a gun, but if you didn't know you wouldn't think about it. If you saw the gun out in the open, it would make most normal people uncomfortable.

[z31maniac]

Oh and if I haven't said it before, I'll say it now. I'm am completely for the right to have a concealed weapon.

However, the "Training" to be able to do so, is not near anywhere thorough or strict enough.

[CorvallisBMW]

Oh and if I haven't said it before, I'll say it now. I'm am completely for the right to have a concealed weapon.

However, the "Training" to be able to do so, is not near anywhere thorough or strict enough.

See, we agree on plenty :)

I see carrying a concealed weapon to be much like driving a car. Both are useful tools that serve their rolls well, rolls that cannot be easily filled by any other means. However in the hands of someone who is inexperienced, ill-advised, poorly trained or intent on causing harm, they can lead to wanton death and destruction of many innocent lives. We require that you pass written and physical driving test to ensure you know how to properly drive a car before being issued a license, so as not to be a danger to others (or yourself). Why shouldn't CCW require the same thoroughness?

[joshh]

Oh and if I haven't said it before, I'll say it now. I'm am completely for the right to have a concealed weapon.

However, the "Training" to be able to do so, is not near anywhere thorough or strict enough.

And that's where we are having problems. Neither side wants to be responsible about the situation. They just want it their way. The NRA wont budge an inch to make it so people are fully trained on their weapon before being able to carry and the Liberal side wants to remove guns altogether. I already mentioned this.

Open carry invited you to be the first with a bullet in your head imo.

[Vedubin01]

Open-carry is legal in many states, have you ever actually witnessed it?

This is going to be different coming from me, but I'm actually against open-carry. I think you are in entirely the wrong state of mind if you wish to walk around in public OPENLY with a gun.

I don't understand why you would:
1. Want to attract that type of attention.
2. Freak everyone else out.

The guy sitting next to you at dinner *may* be carrying a gun, but if you didn't know you wouldn't think about it. If you saw the gun out in the open, it would make most normal people uncomfortable.

I agree with you 100%

[u3b3rg33k]

See, we agree on plenty :)

I see carrying a concealed weapon to be much like driving a car. Both are useful tools that serve their rolls well, rolls that cannot be easily filled by any other means. However in the hands of someone who is inexperienced, ill-advised, poorly trained or intent on causing harm, they can lead to wanton death and destruction of many innocent lives. We require that you pass written and physical driving test to ensure you know how to properly drive a car before being issued a license, so as not to be a danger to others (or yourself). Why shouldn't CCW require the same thoroughness?

The constitution says nothing about driving a car being a right (or a horse and cart if you want to play the anachronism card). It does mention arms.

I think they should teach proper firearm handling in the K-12 system. They teach archery in gym class, why not .22LR target?

As for being poorly trained, I'd say MOST drivers are not properly trained. Take a look at how Norway does their driver training. Here, they cancel drivers ed when the weather is bad. Think about that for a moment.

[KenC]

I'm sure it varies slightly state by state (aside from TX of course lol), but what does it take to get a CHL? I know you have to pass a "safety class" and a background check, but what's involved with the class?

[CorvallisBMW]

The constitution says nothing about driving a car being a right (or a horse and cart if you want to play the anachronism card). It does mention arms.

I think they should teach proper firearm handling in the K-12 system. They teach archery in gym class, why not .22LR target?

I mentioned nothing about restricting access to firearms. You want to buy one for hunting? home defense? Fine, go ahead. But to carry one concealed in public should require training and a level of proficiency. That is in no way a violation of your right to own a weapon.

Really? 3rd graders with guns? Sure, what could go wrong. Lets take money away from math, english, science, reading and instead build firing ranges at all the schools and give kids guns in gym class.

I agree though that driver's ed here is far too lax. As is the training required for CCW.

Good, thorough training never hurt anyone. It's ALWAYS beneficial. Why some people are opposed to it is beyond me :loco:

[Vedubin01]

See, we agree on plenty :)

Why shouldn't CCW require the same thoroughness?

In the state of Florida you must take a written test and pass a weapons handling class. The CCW from FL is the most sought after CCW permit in the US. Because it reciprocates in more states than any other due to how much you have to go though to get one. I have no problem with having to take classes to get one. I would just ask that these classes remain in the private sector and not some government operation. Nothing that will list or have to register for.


Remember owning a firearm is a right in this country, unlike a drivers license.

[Vedubin01]

Really? 3rd graders with guns? Sure, what could go wrong. Lets take money away from math, english, science, reading and instead build firing ranges at all the schools and give kids guns in gym class.

I got my first gun at the age of 8. I have yet had a mishandling of a weapon and I have yet to kill or injure anyone.


My high school had a firing range inside, for ROTC.

[KenC]

In the state of Florida you must take a written test and pass a weapons handling class. The CCW from FL is the most sought after CCW permit in the US. Because it reciprocates in more states than any other due to how much you have to go though to get one. I have no problem with having to take classes to get one. I would just ask that these classes remain in the private sector and not some government operation. Nothing that will list or have to register for.


Remember owning a firearm is a right in this country, unlike a drivers license.

What about requiring background checks to earn a CCW? Those convicted of violent crimes lose that privilege in most (if not all) states, correct?

[Vedubin01]

What about requiring background checks to earn a CCW? Those convicted of violent crimes lose that privilege in most (if not all) states, correct?

You have to go though a federal background check. Finger prints and about a 90 to 180 day waiting period. Now with electronic finger printing, its done a bit faster. In Florida a CCW is good for 7 years. Even with a CCW a background check is required when purchasing a firearm.

And yes, no one with a felony or a domestic violence charge can hold a CCW.

[Farbin Kaiber]

The HS in my new "hometown" I relocated to to escape the Republik of Kalifornia has a Gun/Hunting Safety course that is required for graduation.

I like where I moved.

[mrsleeve]

In the state of Florida you must take a written test and pass a weapons handling class. The CCW from FL is the most sought after CCW permit in the US. Because it reciprocates in more states than any other. I have no problem with having to take classes to get one. I would just ask that these classes remain in the private sector and not some government operation. Nothing that will list or have to register for.


Remember owning a firearm is a right in this country, unlike a drivers license.

This.

I still need to find the time to take the FL/UT class so I can get those to Nonres permits.

In my state you just have to have a Firearms safety of some kind for a CCW as Guns are a way of life at home. Open carry is legal (see it all the time) and also CCW with out a permit other than in Incorporated areas and Logging/rail camps. The permit is for CCW in town and reciprocity with other states. All though the OC there is starting to go away as the CA imports that have flooded the are in the last 10 years flip out all the time when they see a gun

In PA you just have to be a law abiding citizen and pay the fee. Or for a nonres have a permit from your home state so long as they issue them


I took hunters safety in the 6th grade through the elementary school ( in MI) had my 1st real gun at 8 or 9 bb gun at 6 and I have never shot anyone or had a AD