Sales of the GM Volt.

[Vedubin01]

Explain why conservatives who yell about letting things be "free-market" are mad the President doesn't want to artificially lower gas prices like they do in communist China.

Do you actually believe the bullshit Newt says, trying to land votes from morons by promising $2.50 gas?

No I don't, Newt is just trying to buy votes. You can't dictate price when you are not the ones producing most of what you burn. Coupled with our currency weakening by the 24/4 printing press our dollar does not compete on the open market very well these days.

[rwh11385]

No I don't, Newt is just trying to buy votes. You can't dictate price when you are not the ones producing most of what you burn. Coupled with our currency weakening by the 24/4 printing press our dollar does not compete on the open market very well these days.

So you don't want him to artificially lower the price? ... Yet are upset he isn't?

Devaluation of the dollar is not the cause of the increase in the price of oil, global demand - primarily China and other developing Asian nations is.

[Wiglaf]

I heard someone from TRW seek last night about how the industry's obsession is an affordable and well-integrated hybrid motor between the engine and transmission. GM is actually on the forefront and will win in the long-run because of it.

http://www.automobilesreview.com/pic...rid-x6-72.html

lame. this is just as halfassed as the rest of the hybrids. the worst of both worlds.

[u3b3rg33k]

How's that exactly?

[rwh11385]

lame. this is just as halfassed as the rest of the hybrids. the worst of both worlds.

ignorant hybrid-hating is ignorant

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2011/10/bmw_activehybrid_3_packs_335_h.html

BMW ActiveHybrid 3 Packs 335 HP and Gets 37 MPG

There wasn't a good cut-away of the 3 version.

[M-technik-3]

Volt production stopped.

http://jalopnik.com/5890072/gm-halts-chevy-volt-production-because-sales-suck

[u3b3rg33k]

ignorant hybrid-hating is ignorant

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2011/10/bmw_activehybrid_3_packs_335_h.html

BMW ActiveHybrid 3 Packs 335 HP and Gets 37 MPG

There wasn't a good cut-away of the 3 version.

I'd rock that as a commuter car. Pity it doesn't have a 6 speed and a clutch though. go honda IMA!

Volt production stopped.

http://jalopnik.com/5890072/gm-halts...use-sales-suck

Temporarily...

[M-technik-3]

Never said it was permanent thing just presenting they stopped production.

[dirtysix]

I always have a little chuckle at trying to raise efficiency by increasing complexity.

[Wiglaf]

ignorant hybrid-hating is ignorant

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2011/10/bmw_activehybrid_3_packs_335_h.html

BMW ActiveHybrid 3 Packs 335 HP and Gets 37 MPG

There wasn't a good cut-away of the 3 version.

That is equally as half-assed.

It's not ignorant, I explained this several pages ago. Simply put: if the gas motor is connected to the wheels or there is a transmission in the car, you're doing it wrong.

[cale]

I always have a little chuckle at trying to raise efficiency by increasing complexity.

I always have a little chuckle at people under the impression their ignorance on a subject is reason enough to dismiss it's validity.

[rwh11385]

That is equally as half-assed.

It's not ignorant, I explained this several pages ago. Simply put: if the gas motor is connected to the wheels or there is a transmission in the car, you're doing it wrong.

So the ONLY hybrid you think is worth making is a 4-motor-wheel EV with gas generator??!?

All the others are inherent crap?

So you want everything to be like the Fisker Karma? Badass, but 20mpg in range-extender mode... Not a great option for trips outside of 32 miles.

[Kershaw]

i still want my aptera.

[rwh11385]

As much as I believe extended range EVs are eventually going to be the practical / common solution for most people (and therefore glad GM was the first to bring this to market mass-production), I still think there will be a need and see availability of parallel hybrids of varying degrees, as well as conventional gas vehicles with gas efficiency technologies. I don't think you are going to satisfy all consumer's needs by giving them all locomotives with just enough power most of the time to cruise at a constant speed.

I personally don't think the 918 RSR is "half-assed" and am excited by it. Further development and market availability of the ActiveHybrid vehicles as experimentation into electrification of cars like the new 3 series will be best for our knowledge and create better solutions in the end. We'll see if they can make flywheel accumulators practical for road-going civilian vehicles, but also very 'energized' about the 'potential' of capacitors.

The car industry can only benefit from multiple experiments and solution designs, which are cool and awesome. Poo-pooing something because it doesn't fit your model solution is limiting.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/m...3-r-hybrid-2.0

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/lotus/2010-lotus-evora-414e-hybrid-ar85470.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ma-test-review

http://www.automobilemag.com/green/news/1107_bmw_i8_concept_first_look/index.html

Through encouragement of many options and potential design solutions, ideas can be shared across and borrowed, creating better and more capable cars in the process than just narrowly focusing on only one.

[u3b3rg33k]

That is equally as half-assed.

It's not ignorant, I explained this several pages ago. Simply put: if the gas motor is connected to the wheels or there is a transmission in the car, you're doing it wrong.

So the ONLY hybrid you think is worth making is a 4-motor-wheel EV with gas generator??!?

All the others are inherent crap?

So you want everything to be like the Fisker Karma? Badass, but 20mpg in range-extender mode... Not a great option for trips outside of 32 miles.

I'm with this guy. Why on earth would you want a BMW with the engine NOT connected to the wheels? what would be the point?


Though I'd still rather have a bmw with a flywheel motor and a 6 speed...




Automatics suck.