Chump for President

[marshallnoise]

The problem is our entire society relies on the stable pattern of climate, and we are currently destabilizing it unnecessarily.

Taxes will fix it.

[nando]

I know you're being sarcastic - but I voted No on the recent carbon tax proposal (as did most of the state of WA) because yes, it's misguided and isn't going to fix the problem. But burying your head in the sand and saying "lalalalalala!" doesn't make the problem go away either.

[mrsleeve]

The problem is our entire society relies on the stable pattern of climate, and we are currently destabilizing it unnecessarily.

As farby pointed out just assuming that the cause is us is a bit short sighted when we really have no fucking clue about how the weather works year over year, outside of our own very short time on this ball of dirt. Couple that with accurate record keeping, that dates back to only a couple of decades older than my grandmother..... is bit of a derpy derp, way to go about looking at the problem. Just because there is an "obvious answer" does not mean it's the correct answer, and when your only playing with very limited data points, jumping to the conclusion of "settled science" is a bit like putting blinders on a horse to focus his attention on only what you want him to see. The harder yoi look in 1 place for the answer your convinced is there, the more likely you are to find 1, correct or not. AS brave loves to point out corelation does not nessaeirly mean causation, should I go find the pirates vs global average temp graph again........

[estoguy]

As farby pointed out just assuming that the cause is us is a bit short sighted when we really have no fucking clue about how the weather works year over year, outside of our own very short time on this ball of dirt. Couple that with accurate record keeping, that dates back to only a couple of decades older than my grandmother..... is bit of a derpy derp, way to go about looking at the problem. Just because there is an "obvious answer" does not mean it's the correct answer, and when your only playing with very limited data points, jumping to the conclusion of "settled science" is a bit like putting blinders on a horse to focus his attention on only what you want him to see. The harder yoi look in 1 place for the answer your convinced is there, the more likely you are to find 1, correct or not. AS brave loves to point out corelation does not nessaeirly mean causation, should I go find the pirates vs global average temp graph again........

Exactly... long term climate, by many researchers has been related to Chaos Theory... we really can't predict it. Global Warming/Climate Change is just another buzzword that politicians and others with an agenda are using to raise taxes/make money.

Canada is considering a carbon tax starting next year, starting at $10/ton, moving to $50 by 2025. And we produce less than 2% of global emissions... yeah, Canada is gonna save the world, folks! All they're going to do is hit our pocket books even harder.

[decay]

Canada is considering a carbon tax starting next year, starting at $10/ton, moving to $50 by 2025. And we produce less than 2% of global emissions... yeah, Canada is gonna save the world, folks! All they're going to do is hit our pocket books even harder.

well if everyone points the finger at everyone else, i'm sure that'll solve the problem quickly. good idea

[marshallnoise]

well if everyone points the finger at everyone else, i'm sure that'll solve the problem quickly. good idea

Look, this whole thing is just like trade between nations: if everyone isn't 100% in, it simply doesn't work. And the fact of the matter is, not everyone is in on the Climate Change thing.

Hell, California alone thinks they can save the world and have the most aggressive EPA out there. All it does is line the pockets of politicians, manufacture industries that shouldn't exist, and make life difficult for business owners and consumers.

So unless you are going to go into China with guns to force them to clean up their environment, this is a huge waste of time.

[Morrison]

China actually has more urgency to get its pollution under control than any other country right now. Folks in Beijing can't even walk around outside without wearing face masks. LA back in the early 70s was a lot smoggier than it is today. The river in Cleveland used to catch on fire. These are just a couple of examples where government policy has yielded a positive impact on our environment. Even if global warming doesn't concern you, we still have to breathe air and drink water right now in the present.

[marshallnoise]

China actually has more urgency to get its pollution under control than any other country right now. Folks in Beijing can't even walk around outside without wearing face masks. LA back in the early 70s was a lot smoggier than it is today. The river in Cleveland used to catch on fire. These are just a couple of examples where government policy has yielded a positive impact on our environment. Even if global warming doesn't concern you, we still have to breathe air and drink water right now in the present.

And those things are reasonable to 99% of people but they have nothing to do with climate change either.

[gwb72tii]

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in
some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce
Department yesterday from Consulate at Bergen Norway

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in
climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report
continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast
shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far
north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

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I must apologize.

I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported
by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 93 years ago.

This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions or possibly from horse and cattle flatulence?

[Wschnitz]

God its such a fucking joke that some of you think this is normal changes in climate.

When the planet was "warming up, and cooling down" thousands (in reality hundreds of thousands to millions) of years ago it wasn't doing it in a fucking century, at the extreme rates its happening at now.

I cant wait for the outrage as many more millions of refugees from the middle east and tropics run to our northern and southern homes to escape massive temperature increases caused by ignoring the signs.

[marshallnoise]

God its such a fucking joke that some of you think this is normal changes in climate.

When the planet was "warming up, and cooling down" thousands (in reality hundreds of thousands to millions) of years ago it wasn't doing it in a fucking century, at the extreme rates its happening at now.

I cant wait for the outrage as many more millions of refugees from the middle east and tropics run to our northern and southern homes to escape massive temperature increases caused by ignoring the signs.

They wont be allowed in, thankfully.[emoji41]

[MrBurgundy]

God its such a fucking joke that some of you think this is normal changes in climate.

When the planet was "warming up, and cooling down" thousands (in reality hundreds of thousands to millions) of years ago it wasn't doing it in a fucking century, at the extreme rates its happening at now.

I cant wait for the outrage as many more millions of refugees from the middle east and tropics run to our northern and southern homes to escape massive temperature increases caused by ignoring the signs.

Bro, this is Trumps America. Fuck refugees


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[mrsleeve]

God its such a fucking joke that some of you think this is normal changes in climate.

When the planet was "warming up, and cooling down" thousands (in reality hundreds of thousands to millions) of years ago it wasn't doing it in a fucking century, at the extreme rates its happening at now.

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This is a very very false stament that is not even backed up by most of the "settled science" types. In fact there is plenty of Ice core data that predates modern "humans" that show climate can radically shift in a fucking decade let alone centuries

[kickinindian]

Sleeve you cant really talk, you work in the oil industry so you have a huge bias.

[marshallnoise]

Sleeve you cant really talk, you work in the oil industry so you have a huge bias.

You are right, geologists should be ignored, particularly since they are the only ones with hands on actual evidence.