Chump for President

[Farbin Kaiber]

Same. Finally glad that we won't ever hear from the clintons again.

Wrong. By 2030 Chelsea will be in the Senate. By 2042 she will have run. Once she spearheads the clean up and restructure/organization of the CGI/CF/etc. she will be seen as the Clinton who absolved her parents of their sins so to speak and will be free to carry the mantle.

[2mAn]

Well, congrats to those who favored Trump. I didn't think he could pull it off personally, though I certainly didn't vote Hillary.

I am going to be rooting for him (even though I can not stand him as an individual)... not doing so is rooting against your country. I hope he affects change in a positive way and I will hold out any judgement for 4 years. Obama promised change... and that didn't happen. He got my vote the first term, not the second. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Hillary, good bye... hope we never see the Clinton's in politics again. Bernie, you got screwed and it cost the Dems the presidency. And the Supreme Court. Way to go dipshits.

Good luck Trump. Please prove all of us neigh-sayers wrong. Please.

I agree with all of this.

I was really bummed yesterday because I have no faith that this guy will do any good, but the fact is, he's our President now and I will hope that he makes good changes and follows through on his less radical ideas. He will certainly have the best possible path to success having both a Republican house & senate

[Matt-B]

you should separate your business from your personal life then on FB

I do, but a "page" on FB has to be hooked to a profile.

I have literally had people from others countries say there not ordering because Trump got elected and that the USD is now worthless. Can't say Im surprised.

[mrsleeve]

I can always seem to count on farby to chime in when the timing is perfect.....


How's things farb, family still doing "ok"

[jpod999]

I am glad you said "climate change". Yes, climates change. The earth is not set like a home thermostat. It is an entirely complicated system, interwoven with interstellar inputs beyond our control. Would you now agree the media shows incredible bias? Polls for instance that are designed with their outcome in mind? The same MSM, acting as the mouthpiece of liberals and progressives, is teaching you? Are you so quick to trust the same who just proved themselves flat out wrong and liars?

The world gets hot. The world grows cold. We can be stewards of our resources without being fanatics. What does all global warming desire really? Regulation in the form of fees, taxes, more government. A surefire recipe for abuse, torture and sure failure.

Deregulation allows competition. Then you choose with your money. You are a big boy. You decide for yourself. You put your money where your mouth is. Buy all the wind power you want. See it grow. Government is already tossing tons of subsidies to solar. Why haven't you gone solar yet, for instance??!?!?!

So you've bought into the climate change denial mindset huh? That's sad. Extremely delusional.

The solar industry is being defeated by utilities slowly but surely in the US. It's effectively been killed in Arizona and Nevada, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets killed in Utah soon enough. NEM 2.0 in California has largely ruined the financials for getting a rooftop solar system for your house.

So yeah, having a climate change denial based administration is very bad for the environment.

[BraveUlysses]

Wrong. By 2030 Chelsea will be in the Senate. By 2042 she will have run. Once she spearheads the clean up and restructure/organization of the CGI/CF/etc. she will be seen as the Clinton who absolved her parents of their sins so to speak and will be free to carry the mantle.

Or she'll be like Jeb! and show up with a bag of donor money, no enthusiasm, no applause and laughed off the national stage.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I can always seem to count on farby to chime in when the timing is perfect.....


How's things farb, family still doing "ok"

As good as they can be. Focus is on making sure this holiday season is everything it can be if you catch my drift.

Or she'll be like Jeb! and show up with a bag of donor money, no enthusiasm, no applause and laughed off the national stage.

No, she would be the GWB, and one of her half siblings from Webster Hubbell would have to be the Jeb! for 2048.

[marshallnoise]

So you've bought into the climate change denial mindset huh? That's sad. Extremely delusional.

The solar industry is being defeated by utilities slowly but surely in the US. It's effectively been killed in Arizona and Nevada, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets killed in Utah soon enough. NEM 2.0 in California has largely ruined the financials for getting a rooftop solar system for your house.

So yeah, having a climate change denial based administration is very bad for the environment.

If solar was economically viable without government subsidies, people would buy it and it would be sustainable on its own. Since it requires subsidies, it isn't. Net Energy Metering is what happens when the government has its hands in two places at the same time and it winds up arm-wrestling itself. Public Utilities are heavily government regulated.

The biggest problem with solar on a large scale is that in order to get the power from the desert to the major cities (in California), you need to run large power lines across vast swaths of land. Look up the Sunrise Power Link. A bunch of NIMBYs have stopped it or have been trying to stop it.

Either way, you can believe that solar is a good idea and still not buy into the Climate Change lie. I believe in being a good steward of our environment and cleaning up our air, BUT NOT AT ALL COSTS. That's the beef that most "climate change deniers" have with "Climate Change."

If you would stop painting people who don't believe in the government legislating climate change initiatives as people who dump their oil in ditches, hate birds and lizards and are bat shit crazy idiots, you might be able to have a conversation that is reasonable. Then we might have reasonable regulations instead of shit that can't be achieved like what CARB puts into place every single day.

You realize that when CARB certifies a certain aftermarket part for street legal use that its not because its good for the environment. Its because Edelbrock and other larger companies are happy to pay the certification fees and jump through other loopholes so that it eliminates smaller companies from competing with them. Its effectively a cartel. It lines CARB's pocket book and gives Edelbrock a monopoly for a fee. Its the perfect alchemy of socialism and only benefits a few and does nothing for the environment. This is where regulation gets attacked by conservatives. This is the kind of stuff people want stopped.

[BraveUlysses]

No, she would be the GWB, and one of her half siblings from Webster Hubbell would have to be the Jeb! for 2048.

[jpod999]

If solar was economically viable without government subsidies, people would buy it and it would be sustainable on its own. Since it requires subsidies, it isn't. Net Energy Metering is what happens when the government has its hands in two places at the same time and it winds up arm-wrestling itself. Public Utilities are heavily government regulated.

Ok. But how can subsidies that support the expansion of locally produced clean energy be considered a bad thing? Public utilities are regulated for a reason, because they need to be.

[Schnitzer318is]

Solar energy is a great option. Unfortunately it's currently too expensive to be widely viable for the average citizen.

Giant solar farms are an option, but as others point out, have logistical problems. As well as financial problems with subsidies.

Bottom line. The technology is not efficient enough, or affordable enough, yet to be a widespread viability. I've looked into it for my place. I have a large single story with a large roof and could generate a large portion of my energy needs. Unfortunately the total bill was still $22,000 for installation.

People can complain about subsidies to clean energy, but how about subsidies to other industries? Agriculture, energy (non-clean), finance, etc.

[marshallnoise]

Ok. But how can subsidies that support the expansion of locally produced clean energy be considered a bad thing? Public utilities are regulated for a reason, because they need to be.

First, the benefits of locally produced clean energy being a good thing is not a universal agreement. Second, if the consensus socially does decide its a good thing, then the other costs maybe bad enough to negate the good.

You can't look at things as a zero-sum game here. It will cost tons of money to build this grid (or any grid), money to maintain it, money to regulate it, increase the size of government, people will be forced to give up their property (land), it harms the environment to build it (it has to), and place financial burdens on businesses and individuals.

To me, these costs outweigh the benefit. So it will cost more to get this energy, it will cost more to the end consumer, it will burden the consumer for decades if not centuries all for the idea that humans are the reason the world is heating up and cooling down. Its crazy to me.

If you are sober, you realize that the environment is not dying at any appreciable rate and there is plenty of cheap natural gas here on the west coast. We had nuclear which is even cheaper but the state of Kommiefornia is on a crusade to close all those plants down. Hell, damming up rivers is considered bad for the environment even though hydroelectric power hardly burdens anyone, including fish. They adjust. Just like neighborhoods adjust. Wind would be great except that it doesn't produce hardly any energy at all.

Here is why regulation is good and bad: The government wants clean energy so they hand out subsidies to people to incentivize people to put solar on their roofs, plus they say that you can be an energy producer which means you don't have an electric bill if you can produce enough. Then the heavily regulated public energy industry (ie, collusion between government and business) cries that consumers are not using as much electricity because of solar panels, another set of bureaucrats allows the public utility company to increase rates. After all, they have people to pay, pensions to pay and infrastructure to keep up. All with less revenue because the government is trying to ween people off petroleum, while on the other hand having their hands in the pocket of the petroleum industry.

Its fucked man. The water companies are doing the exact same thing: Government mandates using less water, public water companies cry they are losing money and increase water rates. Net effect is the Government gets what they want with reduced consumption, public water companies get water increases passed so they can keep their money and the consumer gets fucked.

And this is how the system works and why people who use their brains hate regulation. They don't mind water quality regulation. That's a cost people are happy to pay for. They are also happy to pay for delivery costs to a point. But they aren't happy to get the short end of the stick on every side of these issues.

[marshallnoise]

Solar energy is a great option. Unfortunately it's currently too expensive to be widely viable for the average citizen.

Giant solar farms are an option, but as others point out, have logistical problems. As well as financial problems with subsidies.

Bottom line. The technology is not efficient enough, or affordable enough, yet to be a widespread viability. I've looked into it for my place. I have a large single story with a large roof and could generate a large portion of my energy needs. Unfortunately the total bill was still $22,000 for installation.

People can complain about subsidies to clean energy, but how about subsidies to other industries? Agriculture, energy (non-clean), finance, etc.

All subsidies need to stop. Period. It will be painful, but people, like nature, will adjust.

[TimeMachinE30]

So you've bought into the climate change denial mindset huh? That's sad. Extremely delusional.

The solar industry is being defeated by utilities slowly but surely in the US. It's effectively been killed in Arizona and Nevada, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets killed in Utah soon enough. NEM 2.0 in California has largely ruined the financials for getting a rooftop solar system for your house.

So yeah, having a climate change denial based administration is very bad for the environment.

Ya, I am a bad, bad, bad person. Please. Learn. Big daddy government you love so much isn't here for you.. I promise. I hope you read the comments below yours. Maybe you can listen to them.. or maybe not if it does not fit your agenda of course.

[TimeMachinE30]

All subsidies need to stop. Period. It will be painful, but people, like nature, will adjust.

Yes, the old "I believe in it so much I am willing to reach into your pockets to prove it" mentality.

EDIT to add:

And marshall, your post before this one I quoted I agree with. Regs are good and bad.. the bad is usually the realization the government is serving two masters. Milton Freidman spoke wisely of this. There is a major conflict of interest in it. And so there is compromise. And with a compromise, it can be argued no one wins.