Really?!? Mud = Pollution?

[Farbin Kaiber]

OMFG!

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/17/3633897/court-reaffirms-that-muddy-water.html

Court: reaffirms that muddy water is pollution

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By JEFF BARNARD
AP Environmental Writer
Published: Tuesday, May. 17, 2011 - 12:56 pm

GRANTS PASS, Ore. -- A federal appeals court has reaffirmed that muddy water running off logging roads after rainstorms is pollution that requires a special permit from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
The Oregon Department of Forestry and some timber companies had asked the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to reconsider its ruling from August, and on Tuesday the court said it would let the original ruling stand.
Chris Winter of the Crag Law Center in Portland says logging roads are one of the leading sources of pollution harming salmon and steelhead across the West, and he hopes this ruling will lead to improvements on state, federal and private timberlands.
Rod Nichols of the Oregon Department of Forestry says the agency will have no comment until it fully reviews the decision.


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/17/363...#ixzz1MjPsiN40

Tie this to the fact that every time we exhale, we are polluting too. We are in for a bumpy, regulation filled ride.

[Bene]

pollution is a bit of a vague term, that people tend to give a specific meaning.

[bmwstephen]

they are just finding nitpicking at everything to keep themselves on the job. seriously, what's next, the farts from farm animals?? you might as well tell that fucker to stop breathing because you're exhausting CO2

[Farbin Kaiber]

Dude.

http://www.matternetwork.com/2011/3/laser-gas-detective-probes-methane.cfm

Been there, since at least 2005 they have had a hard on for cow farts. It's gonna push the dairy industry out of business.

[joshh]

The Oregon contractors license test is 60% environmental BS and 40% how not to get sued.
Most of the environmental stuff is just fucking stupid. As is in this case.

[billybobjoseph]

Salmon require gravel beds in the rivers to reproduce. Trees roots hold the dirt together and without them rain clogs the rivers with mud. The logging technique to prevent this from happening is to leave the trees along rivers untouched. Most loggers are avid outdoorsmen. A long time ago I had a logger friend who together with other loggers petitioned the WA state govt because they required the logging company to cut down those riverside trees.

[Kershaw]

holy shit. do you really think mud is not pollution? look at it this, anything that we do to the earth is pollution. running around catless, pollution. running around at all, pollution. a crap ton of cows, pollution. a crap ton of intertubes, pollution. we live with some, we try and regulate others.

you're the one that is self proclaimed loving the outdoors, wilderness, and get back to earthiness of your out in the boondocks living and you really dont think excess mud can completely mess up a stream's ecosystem? shouldnt you be experiencing that stuff first hand when you walk into your backyard?

[z31maniac]

I don't claim to know much about the outdoors, having grown up in the city and all.

But if post #6 is correct, and the muddy water is fucking up how they reproduce, how do you say it ISN'T pollution?

[mrsleeve]

here is the 1st go around with the discussion.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=180606&highlight=mud

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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT ALL TO MOTHER FUCKING HELL. FUCK YOU EPA FUCK................. FUCK YOU CALIFORNIA............................... FUCK YOU ACTIVIST JUDGES........................... FUCK YOU HIPPIE DOUCHE BAG waffleswaffleswaffleswafflesS THAT HAVE NOT IDEA HOW NATURE WORKS YOU WANT TO SAVE THE FUCKING EARTH KILL YOUR SELVES SO THERE WILL BE LESS HUMANS ON IT HURTING IT FUCK ALL OF YOU HIPPIE GREEN FUCKS.

Yes Silting of Salmon streams is bad, but when its raining Most of the states and the FUCKING EPA already have measures in place that limit what you can do near a stream or creek that drains into a salmon stream (even when its not raining, if you want distirb it you normally have to wait till the dead of winter) and they will fine the fuck outta you for over silting a stream even with a permit Or going to close to whit out a permit or working near it.

What about Mother FUCKING NATURE DO we have to secure all the dirt near the streams that would get washed into it form every where else in the bush???
FUCK YOU ENVIRONMENTALIST'S AHHHHHHHHHH THIS SHIT IS GETTING FUCKING OUTTA HAND, 1st lead paint in houses, then DUST, now this shit, all this year.

FUCK

Edit: This will be just another instance of the Feds being able to use the EPA as a weapon against a industry that is hated by the Pinko Green Commie, waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles bags that now infest all levels of leadership.

[joshh]

Is it still pollution when it's nature making a river/stream "dirty"?

[mrsleeve]

Is it still pollution when it's nature making a river/stream "dirty"?

According to the EPA and the envirowaffleswaffleswaffleswaffless YES

[Sagaris]

I swear, i'm gonna call the EPA on next volcano that dares to spew liquid hot magma over MY mother earth!!!

[Raxe]

It's not nearly as obvious as you're making it out to be. Is it natural for all of the trees in an area to be clear cut? Are dirt roads a naturally occurring phenomena?

Humans are in there mucking around with things, it is not unreasonable at all that somebody sits back and looks at something OTHER than dollar signs and profits and realizes "holy crap this whole nature thing is rather delicate and actually runs itself, everything happens for a reason! Maybe we should stop fucking around with it like a bunch of careless buffoons because we really have no idea what we're doing after all."

But no you're right, our actions totally have zero consequences and nature is really dumb. We'll just change whatever we want because we're humans and we run this shit hurrrrr durrrrr.

[mrsleeve]

yeah mother nature does not wash sediment into the environment does she. how did the great salt lake get so fucking salty????

[Raxe]

yeah mother nature does not wash sediment into the environment does she. how did the great salt lake get so fucking salty????

You completely missed the point. There's a huge difference between the naturally occurring Great Salt Lake and a bunch of people pouring tons of salt around a freshwater lake and watching it wash in.