Ron Paul and Barney Frank to introduce legislation to legalize Marijuana.....

[joshh]

All the more reason to legalize it so that it isn't part of an illegal drug market. Or did that not occur to you...

Also, alcohol is illegal for all "kids", they must obtain it through some kind of illegal activity. So why don't you consider it the same kind of 'gateway drug' as marijuana?

Exactly....lol...you missed it. That's what I've been fucking saying without having to spell it out to you. But where do I say alcohol is not? Or cigarettes? On a much smaller scale.

Edit: You legalize it and it goes down to the scale that cigarettes and alcohol are on. It will be so easy to get, you'll have much less the harder criminal element you see in pushers today. Who in many cases sell other drugs as well. The price will be so much lower and available they more than likely wont even bother selling it anymore. That will depend on how much it ends up costing in terms of taxes and availability/cost.

Yes....because any teen can walk into a gas station, buy a pack of smokes & a case of Shiner & NOT get ID'd.

Mom and dad's refrigerator? The cigs in mom's purse? The wine in the cupboard? And the same can be said of MJ if the kid even knows they smoke it. Then the kid has to find the stash.

The same people that can run into a store and buy his younger buddies some cigs and alcohol is the same guy that sells them MJ? No, a friend of a friend that knows a guy that can hook his buddy up is how MJ enters the world of a kid looking for some. Or a friend already has some and his buddy tries it. Then the kid gets the hook up. That's not to say alcohol doesn't enter the picture as a start. But alcohol and cigarettes are far easier to get. In many cases all you have to do is show up to a party and you've got your alcohol. And in some cases it's the same for MJ.
But most of the time the person that sells you the alcohol and cigarettes is not the same guy that can get you the MJ....or whatever else he might sell. The kid goes to his hookup for MJ, the guy more than not is selling another drug, not alcohol or cigarettes. This is where you enter a whole other world of illegal drugs, not just purchasing. Because as I already said, alcohol and cigarettes are easier to get.

Really? The best you could come up with?

I'd bet even the people that don't agree with my viewpoint in this forum, wouldn't agree that I'm a troll.

I guess Scientology has made you accustomed to Straw man and ad hominem arguments.

As long as it lets you sleep at night, I couldn't give a fuck.

You mean as opposed to "Riiiiiiiight".
That's not it....you call people trolls so you have a reason to ignore their posts yet here you are making a troll post.
Right because your post here isn't ad hominem. Boy you're full of hypocrisy today aren't you.
Calling you out on your bullshit.

[kronus]

only you guys can make an argument out of agreeing with each other

[BraveUlysses]

The difference is Mj shows kids how you contact people in the illegal drug market. It introduces kids to the illicit side of drugs. Which can open them up to more people who are selling more than just MJ.
This doesn't happen with Alcohol or cigarettes as much because they are so widely available.

lol

You don't have kids, right?

Let me be really honest and reveal a bit of truth to you, for someone who is under 18 in modern America, it's almost universally easier to get pot than alcohol. Not shitting you one bit.

Interesting how you throw around the troll accusation yet make trolling posts.

lol

must be painful going through life as a fucking derp

Really? The best you could come up with?

I'd bet even the people that don't agree with my viewpoint in this forum, wouldn't agree that I'm a troll.

I guess Scientology has made you accustomed to Straw man and ad hominem arguments.

As long as it lets you sleep at night, I couldn't give a fuck.

You're not a troll, not even close.



Remember, joshh is the guy while being a fat fuck, decries the BMI index because it doesn't "apply" to him.

[joshh]

lol

You don't have kids, right?

Let me be really honest and reveal a bit of truth to you, for someone who is under 18 in modern America, it's almost universally easier to get pot than alcohol. Not shitting you one bit.



lol

must be painful going through life as a fucking derp



You're not a troll, not even close.



Remember, joshh is the guy while being a fat fuck, decries the BMI index because it doesn't "apply" to him.

What's it like to have no control over your emotions?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I don't know about your experience with drug use joshh, but I'm under the impression it is not much real world, and a lot of thoughts and standpoints from others.

[Kershaw]

must be painful going through life as a fucking derp

lulx, sig'd.

[joshh]

I don't know about your experience with drug use joshh, but I'm under the impression it is not much real world, and a lot of thoughts and standpoints from others.

Is that in response to MJ being an entrance drug? Or the availability of substances?

I watched my own brother go from MJ to meth. And stay there for 25 years. He introduced my other two brothers to MJ as well. An eight year old watching my brothers roll joints and watching my oldest brother with his other pills (speed). Luckily my oldest brother never introduced us to meth or anything else. Only time would have told. My wife worked at a drug rehab center. I had many conversations with real world drug users there as well. Let alone many other experiences.
I'd say you're wrong.

Most people I've talked to about MJ want it to be a lesser real world problem than it really is because they support smoking it. It's like talking to a Scientologist about Scientology...they will always deny the truth because they want to believe.
By decriminalizing it (because it's currently controlled more like addictive/harder drugs) it becomes much less an entrance drug.

[ColdAccord]

if pot is a gateway drug cigarettes (tobacco) are a gateway drug first

[Farbin Kaiber]

Marketed Chewing gum, the REAL Gateway Drug.

[Dozyproductions]

Is that in response to MJ being an entrance drug? Or the availability of substances?

I watched my own brother go from MJ to meth. And stay there for 25 years. He introduced my other two brothers to MJ as well. An eight year old watching my brothers roll joints and watching my oldest brother with his other pills (speed). Luckily my oldest brother never introduced us to meth or anything else. Only time would have told. My wife worked at a drug rehab center. I had many conversations with real world drug users there as well. Let alone many other experiences.
I'd say you're wrong.

Most people I've talked to about MJ want it to be a lesser real world problem than it really is because they support smoking it. It's like talking to a Scientologist about Scientology...they will always deny the truth because they want to believe.
By decriminalizing it (because it's currently controlled more like addictive/harder drugs) it becomes much less an entrance drug.

But have you ever used it? You should know that how people get into it is different from person to person. During middle school there was a cocaine bust so obviously from elementary school we had MJ dealers. Never smoked the stuff till i was 18 and it hasn't been a problem since.

[joshh]

But have you ever used it? You should know that how people get into it is different from person to person. During middle school there was a cocaine bust so obviously from elementary school we had MJ dealers. Never smoked the stuff till i was 18 and it hasn't been a problem since.

Yes just once and didn't like it ( I was very young). I have a friend as well that it made super paranoid. I found that funny. Not uncommon either.
I was turned off by drugs because of what went on with my brothers. Although the drugs weren't nearly as bad as what Scientology did to my family.
Yup and for most that I've had contact with it was the same and all they have ever really done was MJ. And mostly because it relaxed them. And that's where I'm fine with it. Even alcohol under responsible people can be enjoyed.
Then there are others that get enticed with MJ that then look for something more. That's not in any way to say it is the only entrance "drug".

[Dozyproductions]

Yes just once and didn't like it ( I was very young). I have a friend as well that it made super paranoid. I found that funny. Not uncommon either.
I was turned off by drugs because of what went on with my brothers. Although the drugs weren't nearly as bad as what Scientology did to my family.
Yup and for most that I've had contact with it was the same and all they have ever really done was MJ. And mostly because it relaxed them. And that's where I'm fine with it. Even alcohol under responsible people can be enjoyed.
Then there are others that get enticed with MJ that then look for something more. That's not in any way to say it is the only entrance "drug".

Some times when you talk about the stuff it almost sounds like you've never tried it so I can respect you're answer man.

[e30orDie]

if mj is a gateway drug, then techno is a gateway drug too. cause once you feel the high of the bass and the endorphins/adrenaline from dancing you get addicted.

it's like saying getting your drivers license is a gateway drug to illegal street racing.

fucking eh!!! Rock it illegal Alllllll the way- street racing and chief'n hahah I'm kidding.... But That is a good point..


As far as "hope" for the country, were at a lost. Know whats even more pathedic??? I wrote a paper in the 4th grade how America was gonna go to hell in a hand bag. But.... This bias, as I loved euro cars from a very young age :P

But yeah, too much propaganda against it. I don't see the "facts" ever winning against the "politics" I mean, Cali is cool, but yet the Feds can still fuck ya.... Sounds like a prime setup for the government to make stacks twice as fast ;) an still claim being broke and raise more taxes!!!!! That's all they give a damn about- $$$$$

[z31maniac]

fucking eh!!! Rock it illegal Alllllll the way- street racing and chief'n hahah I'm kidding.... But That is a good point..


As far as "hope" for the country, were at a lost. Know whats even more pathedic??? I wrote a paper in the 4th grade how America was gonna go to hell in a hand bag. But.... This bias, as I loved euro cars from a very young age :P

But yeah, too much propaganda against it. I don't see the "facts" ever winning against the "politics" I mean, Cali is cool, but yet the Feds can still fuck ya.... Sounds like a prime setup for the government to make stacks twice as fast ;)

And you've proven Bimmerista's point.