let them kill themselve

[Rsully70sev]

So you saying that because a drink of wine, a beer, or scotch in Europe is social that when i celebrate my future son's 16th birthday that we should celebrate it with mushrooms, cocaine, or even some extacy?

Not what I am saying at all. First of all, I mentioned responsibility- which comes with age and maturity. Second, I mentioned that there is a time and place for everything, clearly this would not be an ideal situation.

really? i mean.........really?

Yes, I can argue my point of view for hours.

i dont think alcohol falls into the same category as cocaine or mushrooms no matter how you put it.

Yeah, you're probably right. Alcohol abuse takes the lives of about 75,000 people per year in the US, and another 20,000+ in alcohol related automobile injuries. Cocaine-2,500 people per year, and mushrooms? Haha, I couldn't find a credible statistic, but believe me, it's no where near the number of alcohol related deaths. So you're right, I think alcohol is much worse than cocaine or mushrooms.

People can learn to drink socially because you learn to love the taste (hence people preference for certain brew or wine)and in Europe its about the taste and not about "Gettin fucked up!"

You somewhat captured one of my points here. What I meant by "Americans taking it to another level" is that their goals are to get fucked up, while Europeans develop a palate for their preferences and taste. If we had the same mindset, I think things would be different and we would have the respect for these drugs that they have. With a well developed palate, why not enjoy and compare good coke? Amanita Muscaria mushrooms VS Cubensis?

can you really imagine people doing mushrooms socially at a night club? how safe do you think it is for people to all be tripping at the same time? Dont act like people dont do crazy shit when they are high on these types of drugs. A person who is tipsy is easier to control then the dude tripping balls because he just did some salvia.... Also the effects of certain drugs that you want to "freely" enjoy at the park are going to put in some damage to you physically. So you want this to be legal for irresponsible kids who have bad judgement on the affects of drugs to their own body's?

As I said, time and a place. I'm not advocating in any way that these drugs should be legalized or sold in commerce. HOWEVER, I think that was a horrible example you made. Define crazy shit, because I have honestly seen more erratic behavior out of a drunk than a drug user. Take 4/20 in San Francisco for example, thousands of people coming together, 60% on another drug than marijuana, and everyone was peaceful, calm, and non confrontational. I've seen more rowdiness at a little league game to be honest. And some damage to you physically? Don't make me Google the side effects of alcohol lol.

I can see why people would want marijuana to be legal and it's not as bad as the other stuff...but i COMPLETELY disagree with your idea of legalizing anything other than marijuana.Just seriously think (not as a user but outside of your own box)of how things would be if those other drugs were to be legal?

Never said I did? I support the decriminalization of them, but I don't advocate stocking Safeway shelves with cocaine lol. However, I think that if someone wants to skip down a "self-destructive" path through drug consumption, who are we to punish them with imprisonment? I can see drug rehab, but if they didn't commit a crime [distribution, cultivation, stealing, murder, etc etc etc] then they should not be prosecuted.

Just like I don't think the cops should bust down your door when you're enjoying a cold beer, I don't think they should if you are enjoying a joint, line, cap, etc. However, if you get drunk/loaded/etc and go commit a crime, by all means arrest them.

Your kind of saying that if we had the European mentality that we would be okay. If that was the case then why hasn't europe legalized processed cocaine, mushrooms etc. since your idea is that they would not abuse it like the United States???

It's not legalized, BUT it is decriminalized. For fucks sake, thousands and thousands of Amanita Muscaria's [the stereotypical red and white hallucigenic mushrooms] grow in the Netherlands every year. If they really had a problem with it, they would launch a "war on drugs" like the US.

[cale]

as a long term resident of BC and Alberta, I agree that it IS everywhere, I however disagree that these happenings are extremely rare or that Crime is not inherent in any such situation, it is. it is not just his douchebag neighbor, it is the criminal element that craves his product that brings crime into the area, and the undesirable effects are easy to see in any area with the same activity.
weed encourages illegal behaviors, as a person who has lived life on both sides of that particular issue I say there is absolutely no way to argue differently.



back on topic,



Anyone ever see "Escape from NY" nuff said, problem solved.

The crimanal behavior associated with weed in the States is far more violent than it is in Canada, if you have truly been exposed to it that much you cannot deny that. Even though it is illegal on both sides of the border, it is looked at far differently and thus treated completed different by law enforcement which in turn results in stricter punishments and more violent crime associated with it's use. My point is you cannot blame the product entirely when the same product in different parts of the world comes with vastly different negative elements.

[slammin.e28]

My point is you cannot blame the product entirely when the same product in different parts of the world comes with vastly different negative elements.

....but those elements are negative no matter the place.

[devon.818]

he is. lol

i am?
number one buddy, i can speak for myself. number two, if you're going to comment on me, better be right!

punk ass.

[tjts1]

....but those elements are negative no matter the place.

Just like alcohol, cigarettes and most self destructive habits. Yet we don't prohibit those substances because we realize the consequences of prohibition are far worse than the substance abuse itself. But we're supposed to believe that marijuana is somehow different. Why?

[slammin.e28]

Just like alcohol, cigarettes and most self destructive habits. Yet we don't prohibit those substances because we realize the consequences of prohibition are far worse than the substance abuse itself. But we're supposed to believe that marijuana is somehow different. Why?

Why is Marijuana Illegal?

Quick Google'd that for ya. ;)

[Pac1373]

The crimanal behavior associated with weed in the States is far more violent than it is in Canada, if you have truly been exposed to it that much you cannot deny that. Even though it is illegal on both sides of the border, it is looked at far differently and thus treated completed different by law enforcement which in turn results in stricter punishments and more violent crime associated with it's use. My point is you cannot blame the product entirely when the same product in different parts of the world comes with vastly different negative elements.

Yea, I give you that one, the difference in violence is startling, however, I feel that that is completely attributed to a difference in cultural attitudes between Americans And us.
I think if you pour it all through the "Canadian filter" it would be to scale here. we just dont have the same frequency and scale of Violence in Canada for the most part. not that scary shit does not happen too often here too, just not as much... (all per/capita)

[Dozyproductions]

Why is Marijuana Illegal?

Quick Google'd that for ya. ;)

What kind of opinion piece did you link us too? How about a real result?

[slammin.e28]

What kind of opinion piece did you link us too? How about a real result?

[87e30]

What gives you the right to control what I do within the confines of my own home?

[E30_(1st Musk)_]

trust me i've seen more crazy and stupid things that come from drugs then alcohol. maybe we have different experiences...

in my opinion (and of course this thread is about opinions so nobody get butt hurt)

if other drugs were to be legalized the death totals would pass those of people who abuse alcohol.

The reality is that the rest of the nation doesn't see things the way that you do and so you can say that you have respect for these drugs and use them in a different manor than some junky but as a whole the nation would abuse the drugs. By the time an entire nation would learn to accept drugs the way you do and not abuse them it would have already cost more than it is worth....

All in all im no throwing my day into this thread but im always up to hear some opinions. my

[Rsully70sev]

I could care less if they were legal or not. The point I'm making is that I don't believe those who decide to dabble should be criminally prosecuted. It's their life and their decisions. As another member mentioned, who are they to say what I can and cannot do in the privacy of my home. I see therapy and rehab being a better alternative than throwing a junky in jail only to be released into the public months/years later THAT much more behind in society. Why not offer help rather than punishment?

[z31maniac]

trust me i've seen more crazy and stupid things that come from drugs then alcohol. maybe we have different experiences...

in my opinion (and of course this thread is about opinions so nobody get butt hurt)

if other drugs were to be legalized the death totals would pass those of people who abuse alcohol.

The reality is that the rest of the nation doesn't see things the way that you do and so you can say that you have respect for these drugs and use them in a different manor than some junky but as a whole the nation would abuse the drugs. By the time an entire nation would learn to accept drugs the way you do and not abuse them it would have already cost more than it is worth....

All in all im no throwing my day into this thread but im always up to hear some opinions. my

Wow, you're full of conjecture, aren't you?

Look at drug usage/abuse rates in Amsterdam and compare to here and get back to me.

And I've seen way more crazy shit from alcohol. You must not have attended college or public high school?

In high school/college, most friends who drank ended up with DUI's, wrecked cars, going out and getting in fights, smashing mailboxes, throwing trash cans through car windows.

The stoners, would, uhhhhhhhhhh, ummmmmm........go to the fridge for more snacks? The kids into mushrooms/acid would go to a "safe place," in other words, someone's parents who were out of town, someone who lived on some land, etc, and just trip balls without being around anyone else or fucking with anyone else.

That's been my experience with alcohol/drugs.

The only things I never tried were the real hard stuff like Heroin, Crack, Meth. But pot, blow, acid, opium, hash, etc all were fair game back then.

I guess I'm just not real sure why most in America has such a big problem with someone wanting to unwind and escape reality and it's stresses for a bit?

[z31maniac]

I see therapy and rehab being a better alternative than throwing a junky in jail only to be released into the public months/years later THAT much more behind in society. Why not offer help rather than punishment?

That's not even just your opinion, it's been proven time and time again, that education/rehab is more effective for junkies, than jail time.

[Rsully70sev]

and i've seen way more crazy shit from alcohol. You must not have attended college or public high school?

in high school/college, most friends who drank ended up with dui's, wrecked cars, going out and getting in fights, smashing mailboxes, throwing trash cans through car windows.

yes.