Obama administration approves sale of tanks to Egypt.

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  • joshh
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    • Aug 2004
    • 6195

    #1

    Obama administration approves sale of tanks to Egypt.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/126990/egypt-to-build-125-additional-m_1a1-tanks-in-$1.3-bn-deal.html



    WASHINGTON --- The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress Friday of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Egypt for 125 M1A1 Abrams tank kits for co-production and associated weapons, equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $1.329 billion.

    The Government of Egypt has requested a possible sale that includes 125 M1A1 Abrams tank kits for co-production, 125 M256 Armament Systems, 125 M2 .50 caliber machine guns, 250 M240 7.62mm machine guns, 125 AGT-1500 M1A1 series tank engines and transmissions, 120mm test cartridges, spare and repair parts, maintenance, support equipment, special tool and test equipment, personnel training and equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. Articles may be provided in furtherance of a co-production agreement.

    The estimated cost is $1.329 billion.




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  • freeride53
    R3V OG
    • Jul 2007
    • 11972

    #2
    Why not? They give so much to Israel..

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    • Vedubin01
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      • Jun 2006
      • 5852

      #3
      Originally posted by freeride53
      Why not? They give so much to Israel..

      You have any idea who is in control of Egypt these days?


      And their physical location in regards to Israel ?
      Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!

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      • mrsleeve
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        • Mar 2005
        • 16385

        #4
        Originally posted by Vedubin01
        You have any idea who is in control of Egypt these days?


        And their physical location in regards to Israel ?
        you beat me to the punch, wow implications nor understood at all, the dumb is strong with that one.
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        • Kershaw
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          • Feb 2010
          • 11822

          #5
          im pretty sure its because the military in egypt is in support of the public, not the government.

          but i havent wiki'd that to check it out. because frankly, i dont care too much. we have a-10s.
          AWD > RWD

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          • Bimmerista
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            • Nov 2005
            • 5425

            #6
            I'm at a loss for the ridiculous amount of sack-hanging this country has for Israel.

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            • E30Kaiser
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              • Mar 2008
              • 1790

              #7
              What is wrong with this? They already have a shit load of Abrams and a factory to build them. The same people are in control of the country that have always been in control, the military. Nothing has changed, and it gives us more money.
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              • Wiglaf
                E30 Mastermind
                • Jan 2007
                • 1513

                #8
                damn, $100 mil per tank. nice.
                I wonder what the profit margin there is. Someone somewhere knows what the bottom line is.

                Politically I have no idea, I'm just glad they're buying them and it's not a gift.
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                • tjts1
                  E30 Mastermind
                  • May 2007
                  • 1851

                  #9
                  Considering Egypt already has 1005 M1A1s, this makes jack shit difference except for a few more American jobs. They are assembled locally with US made components.



                  Originally posted by Bimmerista
                  I'm at a loss for the ridiculous amount of sack-hanging this country has for Israel.
                  Why do you hate the 51st state?

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                  • joshh
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                    • Aug 2004
                    • 6195

                    #10
                    Originally posted by E30Kaiser
                    What is wrong with this? They already have a shit load of Abrams and a factory to build them. The same people are in control of the country that have always been in control, the military. Nothing has changed, and it gives us more money.


                    Why do we allow other countries to make any of our military equipment? This includes Israel. Unless we are unable to make the item of course.

                    I also don't know why we would allow other countries to have weapons we have. Unless they are in small numbers? We just don't make enough money on military items to justify selling them in my opinion. Let alone setting up factories in other countries for things we could be making.
                    No wonder we're in such a hurt. Even our own government is out sourcing to this degree.




                    Originally posted by tjts1
                    Considering Egypt already has 1005 M1A1s, this makes jack shit difference except for a few more American jobs. They are assembled locally with US made components.




                    Why do you hate the 51st state?



                    Not exactly...


                    US military aid finances most of Egypt's big-ticket defense procurements - $1.3 billion annually for several years. Large projects underway include the M1A1 Abrams tank manufacturing facility and the M88A2 coproduction program.

                    Egypt obtained US approval in 1984 to build a factory to produce new tanks. Under the initial agreement, the Egyptians would assemble 524 M1A1 tanks, and Egyptian officials hoped that this number would eventually rise to 1,500 tanks. Six production cycles were established initially, with each increment increasing the level of technology from General Dynamics Land Systems. Beginning in mid-1992, Egypt started assembling M1A1 tank components imported from the United States. Egypt manufactured about 40% and imported 60% of the components for the 555 tanks produced. The cost was estimated at $3.2 billion. The Egyptians also will produce the 120-mm cannon as well as an increasing number of parts for the tank. Egyptian officials said the goal was to make Cairo self-sufficient in tank production.



                    On March 11, 1999, Defense Secretary Cohen announced a $3.2 billion arms sale to Egypt that includes 24 F-16 aircraft, 200 M-1 tanks, and a Patriot missile battery. Under the proposal announced in March 1999, Egypt would assemble another 200 M1 tanks.
                    I didn't know they had that many of them. That they have them no big deal, but if they have that many, I don't like that idea.
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                    • z31maniac
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                      • Dec 2007
                      • 17566

                      #11
                      You claim we dont make enough money selling military items, do you have numbers to back that up? Or is it more conjecture?
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                      • joshh
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                        • Aug 2004
                        • 6195

                        #12
                        Originally posted by z31maniac
                        You claim we dont make enough money selling military items, do you have numbers to back that up? Or is it more conjecture?


                        Maybe because you missed the point? The money is secondary. Mr. Overly intellectual.
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                        • Kershaw
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                          • Feb 2010
                          • 11822

                          #13
                          that point is that 125 tanks is whatever.
                          AWD > RWD

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                          • 87e30
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                            • Jul 2008
                            • 5676

                            #14
                            Originally posted by joshh
                            Maybe because you missed the point? The money is secondary. Mr. Overly intellectual.
                            If not from us they will come from somewhere else... WE can't be the only world wide supplier of tanks.

                            [non researched talking here]


                            Originally posted by Kershaw
                            that point is that 125 tanks is whatever.
                            Only if they aren't pointed at me. haha.

                            (I agree with you)
                            Originally posted by z31maniac
                            I just hate everyone.

                            No need for discretion.

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                            • Bimmerista
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                              • Nov 2005
                              • 5425

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tjts1

                              Why do you hate the 51st state?
                              I don't hate Israel. Its that the US' investment to Israel outweighs their benefits.

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