Obama administration approves sale of tanks to Egypt.

[Earendil]

Also, it looks like the US Army has 4,393 M1A1s, and 1,174 M1A2. The Navy has a handful more. We aren't going to miss parts for 125 Abrams, but any amount of money in the billions looks good :)

[tjts1]

A few things to point out.

First, the Abram isn't exactly high tech. It went into service in 1980, and we still use it as our main battle tank. But the US having a main battle tank is like Switzerland having a Navy, borderline pointless. US technology goes into making sure no tank ever crosses the ocean to our soil, and making sure we can reach across that vast ocean and touch others. Tanks don't serve either of those goals very well.

The rest of the world uses tanks, because the rest of the world is more likely to engage in a land battle than a sea battle. Because the rest of the world uses them, the United States is VERY good at destroying tanks. I'd hate to know how fast our airforce could turn 125 Abrams into rubble if they saw fit to do so.

As for "American jobs", we are selling to them parts made by us, no? This increase american jobs, not lowers them. Far better than when you make a trip down to walmart.

As for selling our defense technology to other countries... News flash many united nation countries are using our gear. But it's rather irrelevant, since I think even the combined power of NATO would have a difficult time trying to invade the United States.

And while I'm sure we know just about everything about "enemy tech", we know even more about the stuff that we designed. No guessing games as to where the weak link is, we already know :)

Also most of the high end military hardware we sell in the ME has a remote kill switch. The Egyptians know it and so does everybody else.

[mrsleeve]

you're assuming the president is actually in charge.

what are you implying here ..................................:giggle:

[joshh]

Sure, I bet it's lots cheaper to ship a 150 ton fully assembled tank than doing it in parts. Especially the security part. Don't have to worry about that at all. Just make sure you get insurance and don't forget to put your return address and phone #.

Yes of course because we always transport military equipment overseas with Fed Ex. How did our equipment make it over to Iraq...

A few things to point out.

First, the Abram isn't exactly high tech. It went into service in 1980, and we still use it as our main battle tank. But the US having a main battle tank is like Switzerland having a Navy, borderline pointless. US technology goes into making sure no tank ever crosses the ocean to our soil, and making sure we can reach across that vast ocean and touch others. Tanks don't serve either of those goals very well.

The rest of the world uses tanks, because the rest of the world is more likely to engage in a land battle than a sea battle. Because the rest of the world uses them, the United States is VERY good at destroying tanks. I'd hate to know how fast our airforce could turn 125 Abrams into rubble if they saw fit to do so.

As for "American jobs", we are selling to them parts made by us, no? This increase american jobs, not lowers them. Far better than when you make a trip down to walmart.

As for selling our defense technology to other countries... News flash many united nation countries are using our gear. But it's rather irrelevant, since I think even the combined power of NATO would have a difficult time trying to invade the United States.

And while I'm sure we know just about everything about "enemy tech", we know even more about the stuff that we designed. No guessing games as to where the weak link is, we already know :)

I'll concede there. All very good points. Although I'd still like to see those jobs over here even for assembly.

[nando]

Yes of course because we always transport military equipment overseas with Fed Ex. How did our equipment make it over to Iraq...

broken sarcasm detector?

Tanks in iraq are obviously shipped by the military. You know, the guys with huge ships, transport planes, etc, and soldiers to protect them. Weapons made by a military contractor and sold to another country don't use the military to ship their goods.

[mrsleeve]

Tanks in iraq are obviously shipped by the military. You know, the guys with huge ships, transport planes, etc, and soldiers to protect them. Weapons made by a military contractor and sold to another country don't use the military to ship their goods.

Just a fyi all that shit we buy form china comes here on HUGE ships too. and the Private sector even has ships big enough to carry war ships . I think they could find a heavy cargo shipper as shit many many tons greater than all 125 M1's are moved all over the globe every day.

Just saying is all

USS Cole sitting on the deck of the blue marlin I think thats much bigger than a few M1's



Off shore Jack up rig en route from Russian waters to Greece




Just string the pot a little

[joshh]

broken sarcasm detector?

Tanks in iraq are obviously shipped by the military. You know, the guys with huge ships, transport planes, etc, and soldiers to protect them. Weapons made by a military contractor and sold to another country don't use the military to ship their goods.

We were talking about the idea that if we made them and shipped them...they would clearly be shipped via the military. Which means nothing at this point anyways.

[nando]

clearly you're missing the sarcasm in my posts. My claims about shipping issues are as absurd as whatever your point is about selling a handful of tanks to egypt.

[Sailor37]

Is that mfn idiot serious?!

They don't even know who the fuck they're selling the shit to.

[Kershaw]

dude, you are so late to this party.

it's already over.

to make matters worse, you lost.

[freeride53]

I'm at a loss for the ridiculous amount of sack-hanging this country has for Israel.

I'm at a loss for the ridiculous amount of sack-hanging this country has for Israel.

I'm at a loss for the ridiculous amount of sack-hanging this country has for Israel.

[tjts1]

Meanwhile in Soviet Russia.

[joshh]

clearly you're missing the sarcasm in my posts. My claims about shipping issues are as absurd as whatever your point is about selling a handful of tanks to egypt.

I was taking your comments the wrong way then.

[joshh]

Is that mfn idiot serious?!

They don't even know who the fuck they're selling the shit to.

That's another issue I know nothing about. If they are turning around and selling the tanks. But it is a good point.

dude, you are so late to this party.

it's already over.

to make matters worse, you lost.

Ah yes and Kersaw shows what he's all about....winning and losing....lol.

[E30Kaiser]

The tanks we sell the Egyptians don't have the same armor as ours, and is less high-tech. I don't see the problem in letting them build inferior tanks, giving us the money, and letting us build some of the parts over here too. How will NOT selling the tanks to them help us?

Also how much of the technology in the Abrams is from America? Not the gun, nor the armor, which just leaves the power pack in terms of the big 3 traits of a tank, which isn't superior to alternatives.