Absolutely shameful.....

[Ryan Stewart]

I guess everything is black and white, with no room for discretion.

I'll keep that in mind.

Then explain the difference.

[z31maniac]

Then explain the difference.

Why? You aren't a dumbass. I know you understand the difference.

[homegrone30]

I agree with Ryan 100% suicide is for cowards. Her license plate red 5poiled, do the math. She was probably wanting some attention at the time from whoever she got in the argument with and wrecking her car was the best way she could figure out to get it. Then a good idea turned bad when the shit caught on fire. I've known a couple people claim they were going to kill themselves. It really was a cry for help, as they were too spoiled/cowardly to actually talk to someone and get some help with their situation. They were only claiming to be suicidal to get what they want, which I bet is what this girl was thinking. I doubt she really expected to kill herself by wrecking a hummer. There's no way to say for sure. But yeah these guys deserve some compensation.

[NKRoberts]

I agree with Ryan 100% suicide is for cowards. Her license plate red 5poiled, do the math. She was probably wanting some attention at the time from whoever she got in the argument with and wrecking her car was the best way she could figure out to get it. Then a good idea turned bad when the shit caught on fire. I've known a couple people claim they were going to kill themselves. It really was a cry for help, as they were too spoiled/cowardly to actually talk to someone and get some help with their situation. They were only claiming to be suicidal to get what they want, which I bet is what this girl was thinking. I doubt she really expected to kill herself by wrecking a hummer. There's no way to say for sure. But yeah these guys deserve some compensation.

you should work for the suicide hotline

[homegrone30]

Honestly I would proly talk them into it more time then not. I hate people who act like that, grow a set and deal with your problems. Everyone has them.

[Earendil]

I agree with Ryan 100% suicide is for cowards. Her license plate red 5poiled, do the math.

I did, and those things don't add up. Are you saying that spoiled people are more likely to be cowards and not value their own life, and less likely to suffer from mental illnesses? My math would actually show the exact opposite, that spoiled people tend towards selfishness and valuing their own life above all else. They are less likely to throw it away. People who willingly walk into a situation they know they won't live through are usually either ill, or the bravest @#$%ing people you'll ever meet.

She was probably wanting some attention at the time from whoever she got in the argument with and wrecking her car was the best way she could figure out to get it.

Any sane person would not have viewed that as the best option.

I've known a couple people claim they were going to kill themselves.

I didn't realize I was talking with an expert on suicide.

It really was a cry for help, as they were too spoiled/cowardly to actually talk to someone and get some help with their situation. They were only claiming to be suicidal to get what they want,

Wait, so did they need to seek help, or were they just claiming they were suicidal? Which is it?
Suicide is not something to be thrown around lightly. I'm sorry that your friends had no respect for the situation. And I'm sorry that they have deprived you of it as well.

which I bet is what this girl was thinking. I doubt she really expected to kill herself by wrecking a hummer. There's no way to say for sure.

You bet based on what? It being an argument one-liner? How much do you "bet" the person you don't know did not suffer from a reality altering illness?

I'm sorry, but I can't hold my tongue here. I was doing good, but honestly...You don't know sh*t about @#$% in this area. And I pray to God you keep your ignorant mouth shut on this topic unless you can speak with a little more humility. Knowing of 3 cry babies that threw around the word suicide does not make you an expert in the least. If you want to educate me on ignorant brats, be my guest. But in this you have no clue. And unlike a lot of the ignorance/stupidity that gets pandered around here in jest and humor, you actually have the ability to kill someone.

Now what would be great is if you would go educate yourself on Suicide. Wikipedia isn't a half bad place to start for the statistical facts, but how about you call me back when you actually KNOW someone that has committed suicide. I bet you won't walk away from it saying "Gee, it all makes sense if I think of him as a coward". It would be great if you educated yourself, but I "bet" you are too big of a coward.

[NKRoberts]

^^ well said

[M-technik-3]

Wish I had money for a home large enough to have three flights of stairs to carry my laundry up....

Apartment complex dude....It's his Home.

Not the first time this has happened, Fire fighters do this as well and it's their job to rescue people.

[Ryan Stewart]

Why? You aren't a dumbass. I know you understand the difference.

Use your statement. If you partake in a potentially fatal procedure and complications arise then the doctor should be 100% without liability because you elected.

My statement is pretty simple, I would even go farther than the law and say that she was liable for their injuries even if this was an accident. I say that because I think I would prefer that if I was in a burning car I would much rather people come in to save my life than thing, "Hmmm, better not. Not sure if my medical bills that could arise from this would be covered."

For some reason I see having to pay $50k in medical bills to those who saved my life better than, oh I dont know, being burnt alive.

I guess everything is black and white, with no room for discretion.

To throw this comment back in your face this is what I want you to explain. How these guys are despicable for wanting $25k to cover medical bills (I believe that article said it was the minimum for such cases btw) but you would be in the right for suing a doctor who slipped up and cut your dick off during your enlargement surgery.

Im about as anti-litigation as you can get. If I were king a case that was deemed frivolous would be satisfied by two conditions: The plaintiff would have to pay whatever damages they seek to the defendant the lawyer would be shot. I just believe that, in this case, its not frivolous. Far from it. They saved her ass and sustained injuries. She should be honored to pay their medical bills.

[Earendil]

Use your statement. If you partake in a potentially fatal procedure and complications arise then the doctor should be 100% without liability because you elected.

My statement is pretty simple, I would even go farther than the law and say that she was liable for their injuries even if this was an accident. I say that because I think I would prefer that if I was in a burning car I would much rather people come in to save my life than thing, "Hmmm, better not. Not sure if my medical bills that could arise from this would be covered."

For some reason I see having to pay $50k in medical bills to those who saved my life better than, oh I dont know, being burnt alive.

I almost want to agree with you. But this would also lead to people refusing assistance because they think they think crawling their own ass out of a burning building is worth a hundred grand :D

I also like to think that human nature is good, and that people are willing to save another's life without requiring compensation.

I just can't help but think it's a matter of greed trying to be justified. For example, here are two ethically similar scenarios:

You save an orphan 10 year old girl from a burning building. In the processes you sustain scars and $10 grand in debt. Do you take the girl to court?

You save Bill Gates from a burning building. In the process you sustain scars and $10 grand in debt. Do you take bill gates to court? How about adding in a little for the traumatic experience and maybe plastic surgery for the burns?

See, there is no ethical difference there. In both cases a life is at risk, and a life is saved. I would not hold a child accountable for paying me back at even a dollar a day. I would wear the scar proudly knowing I had saved a persons life. Am I the only one that sees zero distinction there?

[homegrone30]

I did, and those things don't add up. Are you saying that spoiled people are more likely to be cowards and not value their own life, and less likely to suffer from mental illnesses? My math would actually show the exact opposite, that spoiled people tend towards selfishness and valuing their own life above all else. They are less likely to throw it away. People who willingly walk into a situation they know they won't live through are usually either ill, or the bravest @#$%ing people you'll ever meet.



Any sane person would not have viewed that as the best option.



I didn't realize I was talking with an expert on suicide.



Wait, so did they need to seek help, or were they just claiming they were suicidal? Which is it?
Suicide is not something to be thrown around lightly. I'm sorry that your friends had no respect for the situation. And I'm sorry that they have deprived you of it as well.



You bet based on what? It being an argument one-liner? How much do you "bet" the person you don't know did not suffer from a reality altering illness?

I'm sorry, but I can't hold my tongue here. I was doing good, but honestly...You don't know sh*t about @#$% in this area. And I pray to God you keep your ignorant mouth shut on this topic unless you can speak with a little more humility. Knowing of 3 cry babies that threw around the word suicide does not make you an expert in the least. If you want to educate me on ignorant brats, be my guest. But in this you have no clue. And unlike a lot of the ignorance/stupidity that gets pandered around here in jest and humor, you actually have the ability to kill someone.

Now what would be great is if you would go educate yourself on Suicide. Wikipedia isn't a half bad place to start for the statistical facts, but how about you call me back when you actually KNOW someone that has committed suicide. I bet you won't walk away from it saying "Gee, it all makes sense if I think of him as a coward". It would be great if you educated yourself, but I "bet" you are too big of a coward.

Dude calm the fuck down. I never claimed to be an "expert" at anything and I never said they were "friends". I only stated my opinion based on my expiriences. No I have never known someone personally that has killed themselves, I do know someone who's half-assed tried and like I said from my own experiences it was cry for help. I also know that alot of "5poiled" kids have poor communication skills. I also stated I dont believe she actually wanted to die. I only said I think it was a cry for help. I'm just saying I think these guys deserve the money. I've only stated my opinion based on my own experiences. I'm not trying to point fingers and call names. If it make it easier for you to talk shit to me then so be it.

[Earendil]

Dude calm the fuck down. I never claimed to be an "expert" at anything and I never said they were "friends". I only stated my opinion based on my expiriences.

But you don't have experience with suicide, correct? So why say something like this:
"I agree with Ryan 100% suicide is for cowards"

No I have never known someone personally that has killed themselves,

And if you had, I think you might retract the statement you made on actual suicide.

I do know someone who's half-assed tried and like I said from my own experiences it was cry for help.

But this person wasn't a friend? Did you even know them very well? I'd be curious, perhaps not on a public forum, what your "experience" was with this person that leads you to believe they are a coward. And that their "cry for help" is further proof of their cowardice.

I also know that alot of "5poiled" kids have poor communication skills. I also stated I dont believe she actually wanted to die. I only said I think it was a cry for help.

I don't know what half that has to do with the topic at hand. The other half is what I take issue with. You didn't just say it was a cry for help.

I'm just saying I think these guys deserve the money. I've only stated my opinion based on my own experiences. I'm not trying to point fingers and call names.

"Coward" is a pretty strong word. I'd personally rather be stupid, ugly, or an asshat than a coward. You attached that very strong word to a group of people you say you have no experience with, and you left no wiggle room in your word and sentence structure choices for it to be an "opinion". Since I know it's not true, I recognize it as an opinion, and one I felt needed correcting. Other people may not recognize it as an opinion since you gave them no communication ques.

I hope you see now that I don't take issue what your stance on the two guys. Only your incredibly poor word choice on a topic as sensitive as suicide. Perhaps you could be more careful in the future?

If it make it easier for you to talk shit to me then so be it.

No, it doesn't. And hopefully you recognize now why I went off on you. Be more careful with your opinions and words, and you will have fewer people take your head off. Earendil's Tip o' The Day.

Do note that I did not reply to your shallow and insensitive comment that read

Honestly I would proly talk them into it more time then not. I hate people who act like that, grow a set and deal with your problems. Everyone has them.

So you're not a nice person and lack empathy. I can't change that. I can only correct absolutely terrible statements about a group of people that need help, not to be labeled cowards.

[Erik]

its natural human instinct to avoid fire.

Have to sig this.

This is disgraceful.

[joshh]

I used to think suicide was weak. Till my brother took his own. I've analyzed his life till I felt mind fucked. As a child he was truly a victim.
For some it's a mental thing, for others they need a reason to live. Whatever that reason is it has to be of their choice.
Some people are so involved in their own life they forget there are other people that could use their attention. Then there's always the childhood and what the person had been put through and the amount of support they had or didn't have.

[scabzzzz]

When I was working at Treehouse years ago, some third party company came out in a bucket truck to work on powerlines. We were working in the shop and heard a ZZZZZTTTT explosion. I looked out, saw dude falling in flames to the ground hitting a trees branches every step of the way. His son was there and was screaming and asking for help. So we called 911. Later that day, the kid walked in and said he was suing us all for not helping him. Come to find out, 3 of the dudes working in the shop knew CPR and didnt use it because they didnt want to be sued if the guy died. No idea if the man survived or not. Kinda OT, but relevant.