Ahh yes, one of THOSE church vans

[cale]

Again, don't pass the blame elsewhere and it's a personal question. Do you an individual think the benefits brought on by religion outweigh the negative to the point that you can justify the atrocities?

Yes violence would occur without religion, but to say the violence that occurred is not of religious intolerance is absurd. Genocide and war have and are occurring as a direct result of religious intolerances between groups. It is your opinion that they are a result of greed or immoral men, but the acts are being carried out in the name of gods so please do not argue otherwise, that is not what the question was about.

[cale]

Religion is linked to slavery how? There was slavery way before we had slavery here in America and it had little to nothing to do with religion.

Slavery was justified by many with the bible, so yes there is a connection.

[mrsleeve]

Slavery was justified by many with the bible, so yes there is a connection.

You grasping at straws to make your argument work. Slavery in the the Americas was a product of legal precedent more so than Jesus.



At the time of the writing of the bible Slavery was common place, and it still is many places in this world

[kronus]

Religion is linked to slavery how? There was slavery way before we had slavery here in America and it had little to nothing to do with religion.

I was citing those as examples that the entire line of reasoning is bad.

[frankenbeemer]

Religion is linked to slavery how? There was slavery way before we had slavery here in America and it had little to nothing to do with religion.

Wasn't there something in the bible about the Egyptians enslaving the Jews?

[FunfGan]

Theres also *gasp* alcohol in the Bible! And Egyptians enslaving Isrealites? Sounds like race... But regardless. Yes, is there a point or are you just saying that? Slavery in Africa has occurred basically since the beginning of time, in many ancient civilizations slaves were simply the people that were taken captive after being defeated by another force/ country.

[cale]

At the time of the writing of the bible Slavery was common place, and it still is many places in this world

True, which helps make a pretty strong case for the bible being written only by men using their morality as inspiration and not that of a divine creator. What kind of deity would set rules for the ownership of another man? Foolishness to me.

[frankenbeemer]

where do these people come up with these beliefs?

He's kind of a dick!

troll thread

Not sure, but banish you to hell.

Wow..its completely wrong to teach evolution.

Fuck

you are unbeievably arrogant.

religionfags.

Sorry, sucker.

Again, provide evidence for every bit of the Bible.

Dude, I am tolerant.

reptilians may have enslaved the planet, raped some monkeys and made humans.

damn your simple minded comments

That's one of the most pathetic things I've ever read.

threads going no where

Sorry you fail. you're truly fucked

it is the most backasswards bullshit

I know you're not American.

You can not prove ANYTHING, because you are clinicly insane. Wow.

AWESOME.

Sonuvabitch.

I hate Christianity.

My hats is off to you boys.

pretty stupid credo.

mother fucker go to church!!!!

churches are scams!!!

I have proof you're 10 years old.

you fucking tool.

Slavery was justified.

the entire line of reasoning is bad.

*gasp*

[FunfGan]

um, wat?

[kronus]

[FunfGan]

Again, don't pass the blame elsewhere and it's a personal question. Do you an individual think the benefits brought on by religion outweigh the negative to the point that you can justify the atrocities?

Yes violence would occur without religion, but to say the violence that occurred is not of religious intolerance is absurd. Genocide and war have and are occurring as a direct result of religious intolerances between groups. It is your opinion that they are a result of greed or immoral men, but the acts are being carried out in the name of gods so please do not argue otherwise, that is not what the question was about.

Let me put it this way, if you locked 5 kids in a room with a small amount of food, and told them they had to decide how/ between who it was divided. Who of you thinks they would calmly and maturely divide it amongst themselves? It almost certainly wouldn't happen.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but even in the way you view it, religion is simply a catalyst for our truly evil nature in those cases.

[cale]

It's still quite a large assumption to make to say that the problems were solely based on man's greed and not the beliefs which he fought in the name of. Yes they were weak minded people, but they were weak minded individuals who fought with like minded people against contrasting religious views. The religion is somewhat responsible, without it you're just speculating the problems would have been the same. You can't justify millions of innocent deaths on speculation alone...

It's similar to the argument for and against tighter gun restrictions. One side argues easy access to guns increases the likelihood of murders, while the other side claims evil individuals will always exist and the killing will happen no matter what.

My argument is that it's much easier to justify an atrocious act when you have a tool that allows you to carry out that act without moral regret. Religion allows this, it justifies immorality in the name of a deity. Every religion does this, even modern day christians accept genocide in the bible because it is "gods work".

[joshh]

Slavery was justified by many with the bible, so yes there is a connection.

Religion is not the reason we have slavery. It's as simple as that.

[FunfGan]

It's still quite a large assumption to make to say that the problems were solely based on man's greed and not the beliefs which he fought in the name of. Yes they were weak minded people, but they were weak minded individuals who fought with like minded people against contrasting religious views. The religion is somewhat responsible, without it you're just speculating the problems would have been the same. You can't justify millions of innocent deaths on speculation alone...

It's similar to the argument for and against tighter gun restrictions. One side argues easy access to guns increases the likelihood of murders, while the other side claims evil individuals will always exist and the killing will happen no matter what.

My argument is that it's much easier to justify an atrocious act when you have a tool that allows you to carry out that act without moral regret. Religion allows this, it justifies immorality in the name of a deity. Every religion does this, even modern day christians accept genocide in the bible because it is "gods work".

Yes but there are laws in place to help govern before guns would be necessary. If you need a gun to DEFEND your life than its perfectly fine(I am in support of the right to bear arms).


But the "genocide" which you speak, are you referring to the wars and things of that nature? Because for most(if not all) of history and in the Bible, Christians have been on the receiving end of the violence. The book of Martyrs that tells of so many Christians killed? In China and other such Countries? Cassie Bernall, killed innocently simply because she stood up for her faith by simply saying "yes"? How are THOSE deaths justified?

Religion is not the reason we have slavery. It's as simple as that.

Thank you.

[Dozyproductions]

But the "genocide" which you speak, are you referring to the wars and things of that nature? Because for most(if not all) of history and in the Bible, Christians have been on the receiving end of the violence. .

Have you learned about what happened after the bible was written in high school yet?